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| Are the days of one of sports most historic competition numbered?
Gates are terrible and since the emergence of the SL grand final as RLs big day out and the push to establish a SL magic weekend, could the CC cup be lost?
People only have so much disposable income, and even the BBC have looked to off load the famous old cup.
Has all thing SL killed off one of the country's most famous knock out competitions and years of history and tradition? Is the shiny world of SL all that matters these days?
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| 2574 at Hudds v London, two SL manufactured clubs in a shining example of a RFL endorsed shiny SL stadium.
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| not trying to be funny but shouldn't wakefield fans be urging their team on in this competion its a big pay day and your best chance of silverware.
next season of course
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| Quote ="dubairl"not trying to be funny but shouldn't wakefield fans be urging their team on in this competion its a big pay day and your best chance of silverware.
next season of course'"
Not with Agar in charge mate a tea bag stays longer in the cup than we do
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| no its worth clinging on to
the beeb has screwed this low attendance in the cup rounds over the years with their drab boring snobbish old fashioned style commentry
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| Quote ="dubairl"not trying to be funny but shouldn't wakefield fans be urging their team on in this competion its a big pay day and your best chance of silverware.
next season of course'"
You're right we should. It's a long time since I went to Wembley but at least I saw wins against Wigan and Huddersfield and let me say this - there is no experience like a win at Wembley.
For all that SL offers I would prefer a win at Wembley anyday rather then a GF win.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"2574 at Hudds v London, two SL manufactured clubs in a shining example of a RFL endorsed shiny SL stadium.'"
Hope there's more there on Tuesdays play off game,today's attendance was embarrassing a joke and the numties still shout fartown? What's all that about.
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| NO! If it comes to it scrap the SL Magic Weekend and let the RFL concentrate on finding some way to revive the challenge cup. The final is still a great traditional weekend for a lot of us and is in my opinion sacrosanct.
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| Quote ="gastric band"NO! If it comes to it scrap the SL Magic Weekend and let the RFL concentrate on finding some way to revive the challenge cup. The final is still a great traditional weekend for a lot of us and is in my opinion sacrosanct.'"
challenge cup could end up going the same way as the magic weekends
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| The romance of the cup is still there for me remember the buzz around the city for our semi in 08 & atmosphere was superb in the wakey end even though we played crap, maybe we should move the CC further back towards the end of the season. As for the shudds v London match today it was obvious it would be a very low crowd, 2 manufactured plastic clubs. Should have televised Leigh v Leeds instead at least they're proper clubs
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| Don't think it's a RL issue, look at attendances in the FA Cup these days. People want something for nothing and when you look at how much season tickets cost and are subsidised by clubs, they don't want to pay £20+ for a cup game. That's the big issue.
I dream of Wembley every year, it's still the most likely route to a final for the majority of clubs.
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| I'd rather we got to the CC cup final than the Grand Final.
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| Keep it! I would rather see them scrap the playoffs, (devalue the season imo) and bring back the Yorkshire & Lancashire Cups!
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| Quote ="18th Man"Keep it! I would rather see them scrap the playoffs, (devalue the season imo) and bring back the Yorkshire & Lancashire Cups!'"
Scrap play offs and have a state of origin Yorkshire/Lancashire and Barbarians (the rest of the British Isles)...?? and the Yorkshire/Lancashire and British cups.
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| Agree re scrapping playoffs.
Finish top = champions
Simples and more fair.
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| I do think the Playoffs should be restricted to top six of the table. Any more than that is silly and pointless. It also tires players out just before the internationals, no wonder we don't win anything if we give them the hardest games just before they take on the very best.
As for the cup, I think it should be an earlier season event aiming for the Wembley final in the first bank holiday in May. Didn't it used to be like that before? They also shouldn't leave it so long between the QF, SF and Final.
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| Sadly some clubs have weaned their supporters off the idea of paying £20 into a CC game by charging £100 for a season ticket. Ken Davy at Hudds has been one of the architects of this and is now paying the price.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Sadly some clubs have weaned their supporters off the idea of paying £20 into a CC game by charging £100 for a season ticket. Ken Davy at Hudds has been one of the architects of this and is now paying the price.'"
I would still pay £20 in to cup matches or Lancashire v Yorkshire.... match maybe Hudds fans are feeling the pinch or didn't get excited about the game who knows, if both semi finals don't sell out then there is some thing wrong....
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Are the days of one of sports most historic competition numbered?
Gates are terrible and since the emergence of the SL grand final as RLs big day out and the push to establish a SL magic weekend, could the CC cup be lost?
People only have so much disposable income, and even the BBC have looked to off load the famous old cup.
Has all thing SL killed off one of the country's most famous knock out competitions and years of history and tradition? Is the shiny world of SL all that matters these days?'"
When all the season has to offer is the super league...it'll be the day I pack the sport in I'm afraid. I can't see this happening. We are in a recession and the kick off times were all fragmented and at very odd times. A change of format might be a good idea though. 4th round SL club v non SL club? Or a general seeding system like tennis. The Featherstone Cas result gets rarer and rarer an occurence. Hull KR Warrington a few yrs ago is the last I can recall. This isn't football and the FA cup where freak results are a little more likely. We may as well give the lower leagues their big game for me and ensure more SL clubs in Rd5. But scrap it...never
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| Each team should play each otherx 2 home and away. The tragic weekend should be srapped , and a weekend of the c c held in its place. The champions finishing top, and a top six play off introduced, for a play off shield. Promotion and relegation also on the agenda.
I for one am sick and tied of the closed shop mentality of all SL clubs , and the way sky manipulate our sport
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| Super League has a lot to answer for.
Six clubs were "relegated" when the comp started and some new teams invented (sadly they didnt stay the distance)
Everything rugby league is now focused towards the end of season grand final and we managed to call the fifth placed team "champions" last season.
For the CC to prosper, some thought is needed regarding the scheduling of the rounds to build momentum and the competition deserves some better press
and media coverage.
The Beeb dont promote this competition very well at all. However, having said that, each clubs fans have to take responsibility themselves and be bothered enough to
turn up and cheer their team.
Shudds pretend that they are a big club but, less that 3000 spectators is a disgrace and yet if they make it to the finasl, the Fartown faithfull will no doubt be chanting "loyal supporters"
Wembley is the best RL spectacle that we have, supporters of all clubs going to the capital to witness a magnificent event and if only for the final the competition should remain, but is does
need some better promotion.
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| Does it need better promotion? Clearly it wouldn't harm, but the truth of it IMO is it has just been devalued by the emergence of SL.
If you're the supporter of a big club, you are chasing the Grand Final and it all consuming glory, if you're not then you're largely disenfranchised.
I still don't and never have seen what the SL licenced structure offers what we didn't have other than the power to draw in vast amounts of Sky money, which given thought could have happened for the old game.
The cup is on its arris, p and r is gone, soulless grounds and soulless clubs inhabit the league, one club vying for its existence against another, team GB is dead and with it any chance of international honours, young talent is still stifled by overseas mediocrity, county cups gone, premierships gone and replaced with a copycat competition that devalues the league winners glory.
And all this marketed as a success by the powers that be!!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Does it need better promotion? Clearly it wouldn't harm, but the truth of it IMO is it has just been devalued by the emergence of SL.
If you're the supporter of a big club, you are chasing the Grand Final and it all consuming glory, if you're not then you're largely disenfranchised.
I still don't and never have seen what the SL licenced structure offers what we didn't have other than the power to draw in vast amounts of Sky money, which given thought could have happened for the old game.
The cup is on its arris, p and r is gone, soulless grounds and soulless clubs inhabit the league, one club vying for its existence against another, team GB is dead and with it any chance of international honours, young talent is still stifled by overseas mediocrity, county cups gone, premierships gone and replaced with a copycat competition that devalues the league winners glory.
And all this marketed as a success by the powers that be!!!'"
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Does it need better promotion? Clearly it wouldn't harm, but the truth of it IMO is it has just been devalued by the emergence of SL.
If you're the supporter of a big club, you are chasing the Grand Final and it all consuming glory, if you're not then you're largely disenfranchised.
I still don't and never have seen what the SL licenced structure offers what we didn't have other than the power to draw in vast amounts of Sky money, which given thought could have happened for the old game.
The cup is on its arris, p and r is gone, soulless grounds and soulless clubs inhabit the league, one club vying for its existence against another, team GB is dead and with it any chance of international honours, young talent is still stifled by overseas mediocrity, county cups gone, premierships gone and replaced with a copycat competition that devalues the league winners glory.
And all this marketed as a success by the powers that be!!!'"
Sad but largely true.
I have to say that getting involved with junior rugby a couple of years ago has given me the most enjoyment I've had out of the game in many a year; it's easy to feel disillusioned by the shenanigans of SL, but there's nothing like seeing a group of young players develop, learn the game and have a great time playing with their mates.
I'm not sure what opportunities the few who have aspirations to play professionally will encounter as they get older, given the state of the game outside of half a dozen sugar-daddy owned clubs, but you live in hope.
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| It doesn't take much for the anti SL lobby to start sounding off does it. People make it sound like the involvement of Sky
has had a detrimental affect on our game. Immediately before Sky we had one team turning up and winning at Wembley every year, and the old game was dying a slow death.
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