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Sorry if this is the same/similar to another post, but do we need to look at a serious shift around in the forwards? I didn't see the Wigan game but I was at the Cas game n watched the London game on sky and we just can't make enough metres from our defensive sets to put ourselves in any real position of entering the game. We seem to be finishing our sets on our own 30m line far to often yet other teams manage to stroll 40 or 50m straight down the middle the field without a problem.
From watching the Catalans game I firmly believe our backs are more than capable of creating chances and scoring points, but unless we have the forwards pack to play territory rugby and put us in a position to play territory rugby then we'll have no chance of scoring points this year.
We could benefit massively from getting rid of most of our props/back rows and bringing in some real nasty =#FF0000 EDIT up front to give us a chance of playing rugby in the opposition half. I also think that Danny Washbrook is not bringing enough to the forwards as we don't have the chance to utilise a ball playing orientated loose as we are always spending 5 tackles trying to get out of our own half, I think a loose more geared towards driving the hard yards would beneifit us massively at the minute
Also, as much I was never in favour of taking on Richard Agar, I don't think there's much a coach can do to change the situation we are in, unless there are 4 lads sat in the reserves that are good enough to get a chance.
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Sorry if this is the same/similar to another post, but do we need to look at a serious shift around in the forwards? I didn't see the Wigan game but I was at the Cas game n watched the London game on sky and we just can't make enough metres from our defensive sets to put ourselves in any real position of entering the game. We seem to be finishing our sets on our own 30m line far to often yet other teams manage to stroll 40 or 50m straight down the middle the field without a problem.
From watching the Catalans game I firmly believe our backs are more than capable of creating chances and scoring points, but unless we have the forwards pack to play territory rugby and put us in a position to play territory rugby then we'll have no chance of scoring points this year.
We could benefit massively from getting rid of most of our props/back rows and bringing in some real nasty =#FF0000 EDIT up front to give us a chance of playing rugby in the opposition half. I also think that Danny Washbrook is not bringing enough to the forwards as we don't have the chance to utilise a ball playing orientated loose as we are always spending 5 tackles trying to get out of our own half, I think a loose more geared towards driving the hard yards would beneifit us massively at the minute
Also, as much I was never in favour of taking on Richard Agar, I don't think there's much a coach can do to change the situation we are in, unless there are 4 lads sat in the reserves that are good enough to get a chance.
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We do look like a side lacking power and size in the forwards. I've noticed over the last couple of weeks that we are getting pinned in our own 20 and finding it difficult to get out by runs alone. Cas simply bullied us in the last half hour of Good Friday's game.
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there might be a lack of experience in running against Superleague opposition as well. Cas managed to 7-8m even when running at our markers, as far as I'm aware that tactic is aimed at wearing players out at the expense of making metres, yet somehow they managed to make decent gains.
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Think we certainly need to tidy it up around the rook and defend better in that area. Teams that seem to keep it tight and play through that area seem to make far too much yardage, far too easily.
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| Quote ="matt_wtw" We could benefit massively from getting rid of most of our props/back rows and bringing in some real nasty=#FF0000 EDIT up front to give us a chance of playing rugby in the opposition half. .'"
Funny how people see things different, i'd say the forwards have more often than not held there own, its the backs that have been letting in the tries. I agree though that a more experienced prop would be a good addition. As would 2 centres who can draw a man and pass to the winger, wingers who can take a high ball and halfbacks who take the line on, have the ability to kick into space or try something different a la Wood. |
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You mean the Danny Washbrook that was in the OPTA team of the year after round 8?
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I think Washbrook has been one of our most consistent performers so far.
I agree with the OP to an extent, we are clearly lacking up front not only in attack but also in defence. In attack this is shown when we cant get out of our 30, and in defence when we cannot put the player in posession down. I have lost track of the number of times we have had 2 or 3 in the tackle and the attacker is still stood up. We dont have a chance of "winning the ground" as they dont get there.
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| Quote ="pocket 4's"You mean the Danny Washbrook that was in the OPTA team of the year after round 8?'"
Apologies for the less than intelligent part about Washbrook. I wasn't meaning to say he's not good enough. I just don't think it makes tactical sense to have a ball playing loose rather than a yard gainer when our forwards can't really make up the yards on their own as it is. I understand he is doing his bit. |
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"I agree though that a more experienced prop would be a good addition. As would 2 centres who can draw a man and pass to the winger, wingers who can take a high ball and halfbacks who take the line on, have the ability to kick into space or try something different a la Wood.'"
More or less a new side!
I think we need a big prop. I thought Sykes went well vs Cas and I would replace Mellars with Collis when he's back fit.
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| Front Row - Think Amor & Raleigh have been ok but the other 3 'props' (Wilkes, Southern & Johnson) have been inconsistent in recent weeks lacking real punch. Matt James needs to be introduced who is a genuine prop with Super League experience. Need to buy another prop also.
Hooker - Ellis needs more game time and we need to use Aiton at loose forward/second row. Wood needs to be used more for his utility value & impact from bench whereever the team is lacking on the day against the opposition (hooker/stand off/scrum half)
Our second row (Kirmond & Lauititi) are up to scratch but we need the latters impact from the bench and should use either Trout, Walshaw or Mariano to start with Kirmond,decision to be based on their current form.
Think Washbrook is doing ok.
Backs - Mellars to be dropped when Collis is fit to partner Sykes as no speed & ineffective,he's over 16 stone try him at second row?. Rest are ok but lacking confidence due to the pressure of no go forward from most of the pack who are either bust up or burnt out.  |
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Front Row - Think Amor & Raleigh have been ok but the other 3 'props' (Wilkes, Southern & Johnson) have been inconsistent in recent weeks lacking real punch. Matt James needs to be introduced who is a genuine prop with Super League experience. Need to buy another prop also.
Hooker - Ellis needs more game time and we need to use Aiton at loose forward/second row. Wood needs to be used more for his utility value & impact from bench whereever the team is lacking on the day against the opposition (hooker/stand off/scrum half)
Our second row (Kirmond & Lauititi) are up to scratch but we need the latters impact from the bench and should use either Trout, Walshaw or Mariano to start with Kirmond,decision to be based on their current form.
Think Washbrook is doing ok.
Backs - Mellars to be dropped when Collis is fit to partner Sykes as no speed & ineffective,he's over 16 stone try him at second row?. Rest are ok but lacking confidence due to the pressure of no go forward from most of the pack who are either bust up or burnt out.
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sick of staying it we only have ONE prop in the squad and that Amor the rest Wilkes included are back row forwards
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Matt James is a prop ?
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Front Row - Think Amor & Raleigh have been ok but the other 3 'props' (Wilkes, Southern & Johnson) have been inconsistent in recent weeks lacking real punch. Matt James needs to be introduced who is a genuine prop with Super League experience. Need to buy another prop also.
Hooker - Ellis needs more game time and we need to use Aiton at loose forward/second row. Wood needs to be used more for his utility value & impact from bench whereever the team is lacking on the day against the opposition (hooker/stand off/scrum half)
Our second row (Kirmond & Lauititi) are up to scratch but we need the latters impact from the bench and should use either Trout, Walshaw or Mariano to start with Kirmond,decision to be based on their current form.
Think Washbrook is doing ok.
Backs - Mellars to be dropped when Collis is fit to partner Sykes as no speed & ineffective,he's over 16 stone try him at second row?. Rest are ok but lacking confidence due to the pressure of no go forward from most of the pack who are either bust up or burnt out.
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I thought Raleigh went down lack a sack of taties every time he took the ball up v Cas myself too. Fox and Cockaine make most of our yards! |
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| Quote ="matt_wtw"gas gas blah chat chit chat gas blah
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to slim for me but its the new S.L. fowards or so i hear . all clubs need a paul round is that what your saying? |
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"I thought Raleigh went down lack a sack of taties every time he took the ball up v Cas myself too. Fox and Cockaine make most of our yards!'"
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| Quote ="jesper parnevik"Matt James is a prop ?'"
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"He is but does Agar even know hes a Wakefield player'"
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We need Kirmond and Southern in the second row with Ali off the bench we also need another prop Amor as good as he is cant do it all for crying out loud give James a go or whats the use of bring him into the club.Wilkes and Johnson are second rowers as is Raleigh if it comes down to it.
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Wilkes was a second rower about 10 years ago. He is now most-definitely a prop.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"sick of staying it we only have ONE prop in the squad and that Amor the rest Wilkes included are back row forwards
This cant be sorted this season so we will just have to get on with it'"
Agree so certain back rowers who have been tried to be converted to prop are now inconsistent so you bring in your other players you have highlighted as props such as Matt James. He's definately big enough at over 6ft and 16 1/2 stone and he's played there for Bradford, Harlequins & Barrow.
I hope James is in the 17 & rips it up against Leeds in front of his old Eastmoor & Harlequins coach McDermott. Its definately good motivation for him and to also prove a point to Agar in front of a big crowd 
Raleigh took the ball up against Cas alot and played alot of game time and as had been said just one or two forwards like Amor,Aiton & Raleigh playing OK isn't enough in the WTW pack.
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