I meant based on the fact that if we have a poor season. Taking note that we went into admin and if newmarket isnt on the cards. it seems as though the RFL have made their minds up already unfortunately. the only way i can see us staying in SL is by finishing in the top 8 and having a decent cup run. Just hope we can strenghten the team and make a fight of it, which i think glover will !

They're looking but theres not much out there that will come.

As for a franchise forget it unless somebody else hits money troubles. The decision is already made.

This has been a problem for the last couple of years anyway in my eyes. Too often we would have too many pivots in the side and end up slotting em in at 13, then doing big changes during the game. Can't see the point of it personally. We should have 2 hookers each game interchanging with the half backs being on all game. Plus 2 props and a second row on the bench. Keep it simple in our current position. I agree we have too many utilities in the pivots we need direction and the chance to get to gel and form partnerships. To that end to bring back Smith in hindsight was a mistake, I can see why Kear did considering he signed him a few months ago prior to our problems, however as has been said surely Harvey should have played if he was going to drop Hyde after a victory. If not why sign him for a month? I am not confident that we will manage this particular group of players correctly. Easier said than done but if Glover can arrange a prop or 2 I think we can do OK this season because there is promise in some of the younger lads performances, but if we don't beef up the pack and manage the half backs right it will all be in vain imo

Top 8 wouldn't make us safe, but being rooted to the bottom makes it very easy for the RFL.

We we never going to recover from a very poor start. You can't let any Super League club build up a 16 point lead.

We seriously couldn't handle Stefan Ratchford who was superb, Matty Smith made a bright start with Ray Cashmire bossing the forwards.

Many Wakey fans around me were all for staying to the end, clapping off the young lads for their effort but we desperately need that creative spark and class to provide an attacking option.

I know a few people have knocked Kevin Penny for his gaffs but I thought he always wanted the ball, and took it up quite well yesterday.

Chris Dean was very poor in defence however he was superb by all accounts in Catalans.

PJ dropped the ball 3 times in the 2nd half, all in either promising or dangerous positions. I can't knock the lad though, along with Paul King, he's our best forward.

I honestly believe that if we add about 4 experienced players then we will do ok - I think that's the best we can ask for.

I get this - but this is SL and is a pressure cooker environment. I'm just not sure that he has what is required at this level - based on what I've seen of him at our club. He is so like Paul White - again a willing tryer, but just didn't have that physicality at this level.

Suggested backline for next week:

Murphy, Johnson, Griffin, Dean, George, with Hanvey and Lee at HB and Rinaldi and Davey as Hooker. That would be risky, but could work IMO.

Does Harvey kick for goal?

Agree - however it ain't just Kevin Penny who'd pulled on a Wakey shirt and just 'isn't good enough!'

Couldn't help a wry smile though near the end with the Salford fans singing 'There's only one Kevin Penny!'

I remember we used to sing that.......at Warrington!

think you are a bit unfair there mate. i'd agree with get em on side. penny came in fr loads of work and under the conditions wouldn't have expected wingers to see much ball and the coaching set up you refer to wasn't the coaching i saw at catalans and the ball was spread . the wingers did a great job. as for lee, i'd keep him partnered with hyde. thought they played well together. as for sundays game, thought we'd lost it in the first 10 mins, when we were caught cold. we always knew it wasn't going to be easy but i they keep giving the effort, i think we will surprise a few. we have already surprised a lot and we have only just started picking the pieces up from a shattered club and i am sure you know that together we are stronger.