Spot on

You can probably had Moto Tony to that list as well. What we have at wakefield is a massive squad of average at best players. I think we would be better with a smaller squad and a bit more class

I agree TRB.
But are they options or just the case that JK stacks the team with utility players - because weve seen this before,that JK doesnt seem to have the courage of his convictions.
JK SHOULD KNOW who is first choices are,that is the job he is paid to do.
JK is paid to make the tough choices and if this means upsetting players so be it.But he never seems to make these choices.
When i look at the team selection it seems too often to be "Jack of all trades,Master of none"

Firstly yes there was plenty of effort, can't fault that. But the simple fact is the team just isn't good enough. Johnson was our best, Rinaldi in his first spell was decent and Morrison & Mariano put in decent shifts. At the other end of the scale Penny was terrible, Lee not much better and the rest, though trying hard, more or less annonymous. And therein lies the problem. A team of triers just doesn't cut it the top division anymore, you have to have class to be competetive, its what gets people through the gate to watch. We all know why we have the team we do but seeing a team of enthusiastic young lads getting thumped every week will do just as much harm to the attendances as watching last years underperforming collection. Ultimately all that will be there will be the diehards. Kear has 20-odd players to pick from any probably only 3 or 4 would get a regular game anywhere else in superleague. The rest just are not good enough. Yes some of the young ones may come through eventually but getting soundly beaten most weeks isn't going to be good for their development and i'm afraid I can see us being on the end of some very embarrassing scorelines.

I am sure if the club had being run on a professional basis over the last 4-5 seasons JK would have being able to call on the likes of Solomona, Brough, Tronc, Atkins, Obst, Snitch, Grix, Ferguson, Wilkes, Moore etc etc yesterday. Unfortunately as we all know it wasn’t and here we have the results, a situation that will not be turned around in weeks or months and we must live with it, get behind Mr Glover the coach and the team.
Is that John Kears fault?

Very unfair the ball never came to him and he came inside time and time again looking for work yes he made some errors but so did more senior players
Forget the score lines that may come judge the lads over the coming weeks on commitment effort and improvement
It will be a hard season we all know that the goal is SL

You can't knock the effort, and there were positive to take. If we hadn't been asleep for the first 10 minutes it could have been a different game. Although we certainly lack creativity near our opponets line. Smith albeit from the one game i've seen and those at Salford doesn't look like a halve to me.

We knew we were in for a long season, and unfortunately we can't give sides a 16-0 lead and expect to come back.

to be honest people are giving Jules Rinaldi so paudits and I personally think some of his decision making near the line, especially but not limited to, the first half was appauling. We should have had three or four tries under their posts be we kept either going from half back or trecking on the blind side which was stacked with defenders. That will be Wakeys biggest problem this year, someone who organises to our advantage when we get in the oppositions 20.

He's a winger at wakefield, the ball isn't going to ever come anywhere near him. In our coaches setup what a winger needs to do is catch the ball, defend well and help the forwards out by coming in-field and making quick yards up the middle. He didn't do any of that. He cost us two tries from his handling errors alone. That in my book is a terrible game.

Probably going to have to get used to yesterday, I reckon we will see more of the same throughout the year - hopefully punctuated by one trick poney Kear getting them "up for it" against Leeds away, or Wigan at home or something daft like that and getting a result.

Reasonable amount of effort out there so you can't really be critical of the lads, but ultimately out muscled and outclassed by a Salford side that, whilst having a few "big names" in the side, didn't look anything other than a side that will struggle to make the play offs. It was probably the easiest fixture we could have hoped for given the state of the league at the moment, and we didnt have enough class to handle them.

We have an below average squad that seems to be heavily unbalanced and we are probably going to spend the majorty of the year on the back foot - but as long as the lads keep the enthusiasm up and the effort thats all we can ask for from them. I really do fear for us in the 2nd half of the season though if we get given the boot and we are basically going through the motions, there's only so long you can puch above your weight with average joe's, waifs, strays and rejects and I fear the worst this year. Sorry for being all doom and gloom, but its how I feel.

The first try from a Penny mistake was a slip in the mud, not a handling error as such. The second one was down to him, but as someone said next to me, if he wasn't prone to that, he would still be at Warrington.

George disappointed me more with the second try. It was obvious from ten yards out that the ball was not going to the winger, but he wouldn't join in the tackle, and one more man would probably have stopped it.

For all Rinaldi's plaudits, it was his errors near the Salford line that were damaging, because they kept on snuffing out a comeback.

I thought Penny came looking for work and I think he did okay. We lack a playmaker though, and with someone like Brough, I reckon we would have won. For the middle fifty minutes of the game I thought we were the better side, but they started better and took their chances towards the end.

Thats pretty much how i saw Rinaldis contribution.

He made more mistakes than Penny and at some critical plays,yet Penny seems to be catching alot of the flack which i see as been unwarranted.Yes Penny made two clangers,a slip for the try and dropping a high ball near the end.For my money Rinaldis errors were mainly down to taking the wrong options on some crucial plays.

Rinaldi has a comedy beard though.

penny saved vievers a couple of times, to be fair he made errors like the rest of the team, at least he looked for work. it was a hard day for the wingers yesterday.

The worrying thing is that this year us like 2006, except with the relegation battle in the first half. We have got to look like a side on the up by early Summer, as if we look as beaten on the pitch as off it, we have no prayer. Putting ground issues to one side, if it is between us and Cas, how could they throw out top 8 contenders, and they may well be, in favour of the league's whipping boys? Even as a Wakey fan, that wouldn't seem right.

i agree 100%. cas look a good side this year. there is no way cas will get thrown out if they finish in the top 8 and deservedly so !

That's like saying if Wakey ended up in the top 8 they'd be safe.

I meant based on the fact that if we have a poor season. Taking note that we went into admin and if newmarket isnt on the cards. it seems as though the RFL have made their minds up already unfortunately. the only way i can see us staying in SL is by finishing in the top 8 and having a decent cup run. Just hope we can strenghten the team and make a fight of it, which i think glover will !

They're looking but theres not much out there that will come.

As for a franchise forget it unless somebody else hits money troubles. The decision is already made.

This has been a problem for the last couple of years anyway in my eyes. Too often we would have too many pivots in the side and end up slotting em in at 13, then doing big changes during the game. Can't see the point of it personally. We should have 2 hookers each game interchanging with the half backs being on all game. Plus 2 props and a second row on the bench. Keep it simple in our current position. I agree we have too many utilities in the pivots we need direction and the chance to get to gel and form partnerships. To that end to bring back Smith in hindsight was a mistake, I can see why Kear did considering he signed him a few months ago prior to our problems, however as has been said surely Harvey should have played if he was going to drop Hyde after a victory. If not why sign him for a month? I am not confident that we will manage this particular group of players correctly. Easier said than done but if Glover can arrange a prop or 2 I think we can do OK this season because there is promise in some of the younger lads performances, but if we don't beef up the pack and manage the half backs right it will all be in vain imo

Top 8 wouldn't make us safe, but being rooted to the bottom makes it very easy for the RFL.

We we never going to recover from a very poor start. You can't let any Super League club build up a 16 point lead.

We seriously couldn't handle Stefan Ratchford who was superb, Matty Smith made a bright start with Ray Cashmire bossing the forwards.

Many Wakey fans around me were all for staying to the end, clapping off the young lads for their effort but we desperately need that creative spark and class to provide an attacking option.

I know a few people have knocked Kevin Penny for his gaffs but I thought he always wanted the ball, and took it up quite well yesterday.

Chris Dean was very poor in defence however he was superb by all accounts in Catalans.

PJ dropped the ball 3 times in the 2nd half, all in either promising or dangerous positions. I can't knock the lad though, along with Paul King, he's our best forward.

I honestly believe that if we add about 4 experienced players then we will do ok - I think that's the best we can ask for.

I get this - but this is SL and is a pressure cooker environment. I'm just not sure that he has what is required at this level - based on what I've seen of him at our club. He is so like Paul White - again a willing tryer, but just didn't have that physicality at this level.

Suggested backline for next week:

Murphy, Johnson, Griffin, Dean, George, with Hanvey and Lee at HB and Rinaldi and Davey as Hooker. That would be risky, but could work IMO.

Does Harvey kick for goal?

Agree - however it ain't just Kevin Penny who'd pulled on a Wakey shirt and just 'isn't good enough!'

Couldn't help a wry smile though near the end with the Salford fans singing 'There's only one Kevin Penny!'

I remember we used to sing that.......at Warrington!

think you are a bit unfair there mate. i'd agree with get em on side. penny came in fr loads of work and under the conditions wouldn't have expected wingers to see much ball and the coaching set up you refer to wasn't the coaching i saw at catalans and the ball was spread . the wingers did a great job. as for lee, i'd keep him partnered with hyde. thought they played well together. as for sundays game, thought we'd lost it in the first 10 mins, when we were caught cold. we always knew it wasn't going to be easy but i they keep giving the effort, i think we will surprise a few. we have already surprised a lot and we have only just started picking the pieces up from a shattered club and i am sure you know that together we are stronger.