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| I was just interested about the year ago bit. When he was still chair of the trust and supposedly negotiating hard. 'I still believe Colin Mackie is an honourable man' ' don't bid for BV you'll only push the price up, Colin has got it'
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| Quote ="Brian Briggs Ghost"On an e-mail I received several days ago from Sir Rodney.
I can forward it to you if you would like to see it.'"
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| Quote ="Daddycool"I was just interested about the year ago bit. When he was still chair of the trust and supposedly negotiating hard. 'I still believe Colin Mackie is an honourable man' ' don't bid for BV you'll only push the price up, Colin has got it''"
Jeez. I thought my blood was boiling with all this. Yours must be off the scale.
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| Unfortunately, it has now become quite clear that none of them are honourable men....we have been right royally shafted by perhaps the 3 most current dishonourable men currently residing within the Wakefield District and it is now time that the people of Wakefield are made aware of exactly what they have done
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| Quote ="FIL"Unfortunately, it has now become quite clear that none of them are honourable men....we have been right royally shafted by perhaps the 3 most current dishonourable men currently residing within the Wakefield District and it is now time that the people of Wakefield are made aware of exactly what they have done
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I bet the Wakefield express aren't the ones to take up the gauntlet!
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| Agree with you on that one Jinjer, so who will ??
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| Quote ="FIL"Agree with you on that one Jinjer, so who will ??'"
It would be great if somebody like James Deighton or Gary Carter could get involved. Questions need asking publicly and now.
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| Quote from Box in last weeks Daily Star....
"The Council's legal team will review the new proposal to make sure it is capable of delivering the stadium"
Well, it is quite clear that those two pages of BS that Mackie's tea boy has produced will never deliver a stadium, so what do we think Box will do about it ???
Sweet FA, that's what
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| Quote ="FIL"Quote from Box in last weeks Daily Star....
"The Council's legal team will review the new proposal to make sure it is capable of delivering the stadium"
Well, it is quite clear that those two pages of BS that Mackie's tea boy has produced will never deliver a stadium, so what do we think Box will do about it ???
Sweet FA, that's what
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Box is to make a statement today
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| So comparing our 2 "perfect" agreements:
Castleford - Developer agrees to transfer freehold of the stadium land to Castleford Tigers for £1
Wakefield - Developer retains freehold of land
Castleford - Stadium will be managed and run by Castleford Tigers entitling them to the full benefit of revenue streams from matchdays and conference/hospitality facilities
Wakefield - Stadium will be leased and managed by Rodney's Trust at a peppercorn rent. Trust will then lease stadium to Wakefield Trinity for a commercial rent and they will have no access to revenue streams from conference/hospitality
Castleford - Stadium to be built and handed over prior to any retail unit being opened to trade (I couldn't find a specific trigger point linked to quantity/footage of retail units)
Wakefield - Stadium to be built when developer has assessed viability of housing, received planning permission for said housing and built sufficient quantity (no reference to what constitutes sufficient quantity)
And many others but these conditions show the intentions of developer and his mates.
Time Councillor Box grew a pair and put the Castleford s106 in front of Mackie and said this is what you need to provide or else we are revoking any planning permission you will ever receive
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| Quote ="wtid71"Box is to make a statement today'"
I can hardly wait
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| Quote ="Fordy"So comparing our 2 "perfect" agreements:
Castleford - Developer agrees to transfer freehold of the stadium land to Castleford Tigers for £1
Wakefield - Developer retains freehold of land
Castleford - Stadium will be managed and run by Castleford Tigers entitling them to the full benefit of revenue streams from matchdays and conference/hospitality facilities
Wakefield - Stadium will be leased and managed by Rodney's Trust at a peppercorn rent. Trust will then lease stadium to Wakefield Trinity for a commercial rent and they will have no access to revenue streams from conference/hospitality
Castleford - Stadium to be built and handed over prior to any retail unit being opened to trade (I couldn't find a specific trigger point linked to quantity/footage of retail units)
Wakefield - Stadium to be built when developer has assessed viability of housing, received planning permission for said housing and built sufficient quantity (no reference to what constitutes sufficient quantity)
And many others but these conditions show the intentions of developer and his mates.
Time Councillor Box grew a pair and put the Castleford s106 in front of Mackie and said this is what you need to provide or else we are revoking any planning permission you will ever receive'"
Chalk and Cheese.
One agreement has been drafted to deliver the other one has been drafted not to deliver a stadium but still make some people very happy.
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"According to the council website their surgery is at 6pm on Thursday in Stanley Community Centre so I think I'll go ask them face to face and see for myself if they're just fobbing us all off.'"
Be very rude of me not to pop along as well seeing as it's 2 mins from my house.
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| Quote ="Fordy"So comparing our 2 "perfect" agreements:
Castleford - Developer agrees to transfer freehold of the stadium land to Castleford Tigers for £1
Wakefield - Developer retains freehold of land
Castleford - Stadium will be managed and run by Castleford Tigers entitling them to the full benefit of revenue streams from matchdays and conference/hospitality facilities
Wakefield - Stadium will be leased and managed by Rodney's Trust at a peppercorn rent. Trust will then lease stadium to Wakefield Trinity for a commercial rent and they will have no access to revenue streams from conference/hospitality
Castleford - Stadium to be built and handed over prior to any retail unit being opened to trade (I couldn't find a specific trigger point linked to quantity/footage of retail units)
Wakefield - Stadium to be built when developer has assessed viability of housing, received planning permission for said housing and built sufficient quantity (no reference to what constitutes sufficient quantity)
And many others but these conditions show the intentions of developer and his mates.
Time Councillor Box grew a pair and put the Castleford s106 in front of Mackie and said this is what you need to provide or else we are revoking any planning permission you will ever receive'"
Excellent post Fordy
The reality will be that Box will take Mackie out for a business lunch (on expenses, obviously, that we will pay for) and they will agree that Mackie will then take several months re-considering his terms and conditions and will then come back with slightly more favourable terms and conditions, which once again will be totally unacceptable to the club. This will continue ad-infinitum until we are playing in the Sunday League in Thornes Park.
Mackie will then be granted freedom of the Town of Castleford.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Just read that bull sheet again and my blood is boiling. It all seems so childish. It almost looks like a case of "we've got a good thing going here, We've got away with it once we can do these again, let's do this again while we're on a roll".'"
And with an ever-crumbling Belle Vue and stadia requirements set by the RFL, they know they haven't got long to hold out.
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| Just watching box give statement at cabinet meeting...said he has meeting with club today..the proposal from york court it totaly unacceptable. And york court need to walk away from wakefield as they have no interest in the city or interest in building a stadium...box said they would be looking for a new developer to step in....hopefully no new planning anywhere for yorkcourt ..
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| The only way for the council to come out of this with any credibility is to do what MC suggested and finance the community stadium like Leeds CC are doing with headingley lending the money but getting it back with interest. Everyone's a winner and saves it from going to court.
Up the Trin
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| Be nice if he would add....."Walker has no mandate or authority whatsoever, his involvement has been a disaster, the council will refuse to involve him and will only deal with the legitimate trust"...or words to that effect.
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| Is this Box just playing his usual game of politics and trying to appear to be the good guy, or has he finally grown a pair ???
I know which one I think it is !!
In the highly unlikely event that it is the latter, then Mackie should be made to stump up the 6 million that I believe he offered to contribute earlier this year, otherwise he will not be granted planning permission to build anything else at Newmarket or anywhere else within the district.
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| Just another delaying tactic, once again actions speak louder than words councillor Box !!!
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| Just another delaying tactic, once again actions speak louder than words councillor Box !!!
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| Peter Box says heads of terms not fit for purpose, and beleives developer has no intention of building the stadium. Developer to be asked to leave the process in order to find a new developer!
Statement later
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| Quote ="eastardsley"Just watching box give statement at cabinet meeting...said he has meeting with club today..the proposal from york court it totaly unacceptable. And york court need to walk away from wakefield as they have no interest in the city or interest in building a stadium...box said they would be looking for a new developer to step in....hopefully no new planning anywhere for yorkcourt ..'"
Is this a fact?
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| Quote ="Joe Banjo"Is this a fact?'"
Its what he has just said
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"Peter Box says heads of terms not fit for purpose, and beleives developer has no intention of building the stadium. Developer to be asked to leave the process in order to find a new developer!
Statement later'"
Whilst he is at it he can tell Walker and his fake trust to do one as well
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