Another comment from somebody with the intelligence of a goldfish. I am trying to think of a way of answering that in a way you would understand. Sadly I can't upload pictures

So whilst accusing someone of having the intelligence of a goldfish you have subsequently been unable to explain your point without pictures....which you have then been unable to upload.
I don't need pictures to point out what you are pal - you're obviously a bell end

Hello Ben / Bens Dad. Hope you/your son prospers at Salford, I'd have kept you/him on a 1 year deal to see if you/he could develop in to a first team regular, nothing longer than that though I'm afraid

Crayons? Can you manage them?

None of the above

Upset the gang? Haha

Good luck to Ben, hopefully he can push on at Salford but I don't think he is good enough for Superleague.

Was his debut at Hull KR last season?

Good luckto Ben - hope he does make his name in SL. I'm no expert on players but would like to hope those in charge think that other signings/exisiting players offer more than Ben for next season

I'm not part of any gang Big Dog, you just seem a little bitter that Ben looks like he's leaving, plays with his heart on his sleeve but sometimes you need a little more than that. Hope he goes well wherever he's playing but for me he's a bit slight for a prop and not fast enough for second two

Not bitter with Ben inparticular, it's more the situation that we have a lad from Wakefield who IMO could be a class player if trained/conditioned right and he is losing (his choice or clubs I am not sure) place to an Aussie who everyone thinks is pretty shab. If we think back to Peacock, coley etc some people can take a while to develop, all I was saying was we should support the lads and bring them through.

All this aside let's just hope we get the right coach and hopefully a change will bring out the best in all the players

Unlike John Kear eh! Tony Drury brings them up to readiness for the first team and can do no more with them, and instead of them kicking on from there Mr Kear lets them stagnate simply because he does not have a scooby what to do with them, which is why we have these situations with these young players wanting to leave.

Just when I think your getting it you do it again and point fingers at people who are not to blame - why the need.

There may be players at BV with a legitimate issue with Kear but Gledhill isn't one IMHO and this situationl isn't either. Kear is no longer in charge of player recruitment FACT. Gledhill has had plenty of chances under Kear FACT. I don't know if Kear rates Gledhill or not but what has happened here has little to do with him as he is out of the loop FACT.
Gledhill is not so special that Kear was obliged to pick him, he had more chances than most FACT.
Unless AG and JE are messing with us they are picking who stays, joins and goes so this is a situation of their making FACT. I don't care if that bursts the AG/JE love in because it's true as far as I can tell.

No wish to start feuding again but that was a cheap comment and in this case undeserved - do we really need another Richardson style pogrom or shall we allow Kear a potential future ally to leave head held high. Can Trinity fans just be grown up for once and not make another public enemy, it's not as if we are short of them is it.

But Kears not in charge any more and hasn't been for a while. Yes he picks the team but that's his job, if the club don't like it then get rid. It's too easy just to blame Kear. Why haen't the club stepped in and convinced Gledhill to stay - answer money. Why isn't Gledhill willing to stay and take his chances under a new coach - answer money. Unlike Trout and Spiers I think Gledhill has had plenty of chances to impress and hasn't, can't really fault Kear with this one as I wouldn't have picked him either on performances.

There are a number of players who have been allowed to stagnate I agree but Gledhill is a poor example to use as a proving point - Anekin is a far better example, now that one is criminal when you think Smith, Hickey and Lee get a game.

Come on Chissitt, you've been around and you know how it works.

Lots of FACTS there Vasty - has Fully hacked your account?

My personal view is that JK is generally poor at managing the transition of young players from academy to first team; his comfort zone appears to be with older, more experienced players, especially those who have served him well in the past, and he seems to have a strong belief that he can coax decent performances out of people who are over the hill.

I'll give you that Ben has had more chances than most and I'd also agree that after a barnstorming start, hasn't really lived up to that potential, so he probably wasn't the best player with which to illustrate the point; I think my (admittedly glib) point remains valid though - our youth development process has historically hit a bit of a brick wall when it comes time to blood youngsters in the first team. We've got to get better at that and hopefully, under our new coach, we will.

I agree but in this case it's not really down to Kear.

Slightly off topic but Kear may net be everyones cup of tea but the reality is he won't disappear like most previous coaches have. He is fairly well liked and well respected in the game, especially the media. His opinions matter and he may well end up in a position where he could either help us or hurt us, we simply don't need the latter. Kear for me is a man who we should keep on the right side of if at all possible.
I know for a FACT (Fully mode) that Solomona was very unhappy with his treatment when he left. To his credit I don't think he ever bad mouthed us to other NZ based players but he didn't recommend us either. It would be much better for us if a respected player actively pushed the club in NZ as it would be if Kear did here. Not saying they would, just suggesting we make it harder for them not to - it may go against peoples emotions but it's good business.

I'm a great believer in not burning ones bridges so I certainly wouldn't advocate an acrimonious parting with JK; in all honesty though, I don't think a few people posting their opinions of his policy towards using young players in the first team is likely to stay with him forever.

On this I agree, AG or JE said as much at the ST meeting regarding JK picking players that weren't interested.

Over the years I have read your posts with great interest and you speak a great deal of sense but where this is concerned you have not got a clue what you are talking about and the circumstances around the alleged departure. You talk (in this case) utter bo77ocks.

Again agreed but sadly it doesn't seem to stop at that. One mans considered opinion on here quickly becomes a 4 pints Billy big bollox excuse to abuse, sometimes in person. I know you can't control peoples thoughts but the more level heads pushing the Kear positives the better.

Problem we have is that Kear is the only person associated with the playing/non playing side of the club who has any real media profile we have. If Kear takes umbridge and he has been known there is no one to counter that. I'm not trembling with fear over big bad Kear it's just an issue we could do with out.

There has been an opinion in the game since the early 70's that Trinity is not a good club to join as a player or a Coach. It's persisted for all that time and has more or less been the case id somewhat exagerated by some players who held an unfair grudge for their own gain. We reached rock bottom last year but seem to have started to move upwards, we need positive praise but in Kears case saying nowt will do just fine.

Eric or Bens dad as I know you are (let's cut the bull) you may be right. I don't know the full circumstances, however I do know that it has been stated that Kear has no say in recruitment.

So you may think Ben has been shafted and you may be right, but unless you are suggesting AG is lying and Kear is still involved in recruitment then I can't see where Kear is to blame. It must be whoever is assembling the team now - surely that is logical?

You may or may not think Kear has given Ben enough chances but that is pretty subjective and in your case it's fair to say a bit biased. Remember you were quite happy to see Ben go to Cas as a junior for what I assume to have been a better deal. I don't blame you, far from it but these things cut both ways.

I'm not defending the decision to let Ben go, I'd have liked to keep him and I'd have been willing to pay more than the peanuts I know he is currently on. What I am saying is that this can't just be about Kear, if Trinity wanted him there are now others making those calls.

Personally I think Kear has given Ben a decent run, you probably feel different - however that's not the issue anymore, the issue is whether he fits into the plans of the new set up and it would appear he doesn't or at least not at a rate that appeals to Ben. It's sad and not something I wanted to see but it's how it works, I hope Ben does very well at Salford and reaches his full potential.

Where am I wrong, I've tried to be balanced with the info available.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. In the last 14-16 months everything has gone a bit sour for whatever reason, but between August 2006 and 2009 Kear was at the helm during a very good period for the club. We should look at his tenure as a whole rather than just the bit at the end. If Kear hadn't arrived we would now be going to batley on a Thursday night and we would be a million miles away from SL/Newmarket/a very bright future. He's got his faults but in the main the club and Kear suited each other down to the ground. It's time for him to go but I will applaud him off against Bradford

agreed 100% schunter. Even the most ardent kear out fans must surely find that hard to disagree with.

Totally agree - I'll join in you that applause, without question.