I don't see any advantage to Wakefield to let him go on loan.
If they sell him then fair enough.
But for me we still need him so would only loan him short term to somewhere like Bradford where he'll be looked after.

Plus Roberts will be fine for Cas and if not they have a kid who played pretty well in preseason and Eden who can play there well enough.

ben Roberts was terrible last week.......he was no where in the finals last year either...

always had the rep over here that he didn't perform in big games...

as per my tips I am hoping WIDNES beat them this week! I tipped cass are not going to finish as high this year---- let the slide begin I say

Well as they finished top that isn't too risky a bet.

Roberts was poor but that doesn't mean Powell will suddenly drop him and go get a second team player from somewhere else.
Although I don't think he's better he could just as easily go for Golding from Leeds who has big game experience. Or Hanbury from Widnes who might fancy a go higher up. Or Escare who is possibly behind Tomkins.

From Jowitt's perspective a move like this would really benefit him. Two years ago he was Super League Rookie of the year following an outstanding season for us. He's just had a year of stagnation with very little top level experience. In relative terms he's really gone backwards.

I've always thought it unfortunate for us to have on one side of in in Leeds the most insensitive yet arrogant fans. Whilst on the other side the most sensitive yet nearly as arrogant Cas fans.

You lot should re- read some of the stuff you lot post especially on that echo chamber you wrongly call a forum.

I don't hate Cas if you think that's hatred and bile don't ever visit a football forum!

If your going to play with the misters which you do and get cocky when you win which you do then you have to be ready to get shot at as indeed will we when our purple patch comes to an end.

A lot of Cas fans buy into this classy Cas small town done good idea and believe everyone else does. Truth is they do when your not a real threat but last year when you were boy didn't they turn.

At least I/we are not patronising you, our antagonism is genuine - not a fair weather rivalry it's for real. Your the number one target for most Trin fans these days. That imho is a compliment but we are never going to be nice.

Tbf the political element in WMDC has added to the bitterness on occasions which imho isn't a good thing but who can blame us - I think you know exactly who's caused that and it ain't us.

How can I be a troll I've been a Wakey fan for over 50 years & love the club & go to most games. But I've watched Jowitt very closely His defence is very poor & as i said he is without doubt a great attacker & gets most of his plaudits from that. If people read into that I'm a troll just because I expressed a view I'm sorry I have an opinion. but I've watched him since he started playing for the 1'st team & it's just something that I've noticed.

It's not very poor, it's a kid who made the step up to an exposed position earlier than anticipated. His goal line defence needs work on of course, as does Grix's even now. But look back to the Farts game and his effort on McGillvary in 2016 and tell me he can't tackle.

Time will tell.
I hope I'm wrong

Part of the point i'm making with Hadley is, the loan system is now being 'abused' for want of a better word in my opinion. It was originally brought in when a team had a genuine injury crisis, and a couple of clubs would help out with a couple of players for a month or two, that wasn't why we got Hadley was it. What is dual reg. for?? As for Jowitt, if he's deemed good enough by the best team of last season to get into their starting 13, then if he goes, good luck to him, him playing for them is not going to stop us from winning games is it? I'm not entirely convinced that Chester sees him as the replacement for Grix when he does finish, but that's just it, we will find out in due course whether he will be the one who takes over the full back role permanently.

I'm sure Widnes fans will be delighted if Cas just fancy Hanbury for a bit eh?!?! You can't just go looking round all the clubs and say, yeah we'll have him for a bit, and him for a bit longer......every team announced their squads for the season, they've had an off season to add players, unless you have a major injury crisis, you should be made to go with what you announced as your squad. So you'd be happy if Wigan fancied Fifita for a couple of months, and then throw in Ashurst for good measure! The game's in a bad enough state without clubs just picking up players left right and centre when it suits them!

Players should not be allowed to go on loan to a club in the same division as their parent club. Its a joke that this is allowed to happen.

Poor comparisons using Fifita and Ashurst. Can't really think of a player on our books similar to Jowitt. Hero to zero in 18 months.

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that clubs can just go out and take someone else's players when they want. What they are perfectly entitled to do however is approach other clubs and enquire whether said player might be available for a loan period if they feel that they need some cover there. The club who owns that players registration has every right to tell the enquiring club to do one if they so wish.
I would hope that if Wigan came and knocked on our door saying "Can we loan Fifita for a month please?" we would tell them where to go. With us choosing to run a reserves team as well, I would rather our players played in that comp for us to keep them match fit, but if clubs are not running reserves and have players that are not currently in their matchday squads but they want to see them maintain their fitness then loaning them out might be a good idea.

Ohh well, maybe Wigan, Cas, whoever will fancy Grix for a bit then Jowitt can get back to where he was two years ago!!

Hadley wasn't brought in as cover, he played and started virtually every game, whilst Annakin & Crowther twiddled their thumbs for the most part. Hadley was great for us, a really good player who will now probably play for Hull week in week out, I just don't agree with the principal of it, it's plain wrong.

That's quite a bizarre comment.
The lad has a future in SL, absolutely no doubt and but for the fact that Grix is playing right at the top of his game, surely Jowitt would be getting the gig, which seems an ideal scenario, keeping pressure on Grix and keeping Jowitt hungry for when his chance comes.
The one mystery in all this was the 2 games at Salford last season.
Jowitt was probably MoM in the league fixture but, was replaced by Grix for the cup game, where he had probably the worst game he's had in his second spell.
I know it's all water under the bridge now but, Jowitt would have grown massively in confidence from his league performance and could really have put a marker down for the #1 jersey if he's been given the gig for the cup game.
I thought he was really unlucky.
And for the clown who suggested that Jowitt was a poor defender etc, someone should lend him the DVD of that game. His offload to set up the try in the second half was superb.

What an extraordinary attitude towards the loan system; you do realise that the host club is perfectly at liberty to say, no, he's not available for loan?

If sending Max out on loan helps his game and development, why not? No matter who it is and if it's a SL team, all the better.
Also to suggest that we shouldn't have loaned Hadley last season is ridiculous. When a player like him becomes available to play for us, you jump at the chance.
Annakin is a good player but not Hadley and Jordan is still a pup and probably learnt quite a lot off how Hadley plays.
I think if Cas are desperate and prepared to flash the cash, Evalds will probably be available later in the season.

What's extraordinary about my attitude? Feel free to enlighten me! So here's the scenario then.......'Hey, how's it going? Fancy lending us Max Jowitt for a bit? Ermmmm, why do you want him? Well 'cause basically we f****d up during the off season by not replacing Hardaker. Ohh ok......no, get lost.' Do you think we approached Hull for Hadley when we had Kirmond, Ashurst, Arona, Batchelor, Crowther all fit and raring to go after we had played the massive amount of 1 game last season?! Like I've already said, the loan system is being abused, in Hadley's case purely for financial reasons, unless someone can correct me on that.

I could enlighten you, but what difference does it make. It is what it is. Value for money, Hadley was best signing I’ve ever made.

So Jowitt to Cas MC?

A very good signing indeed Daddycool.

I just wished we managed to keep him longer

Can't see why Hadley is even in question.
He was universally liked last season and was a standout player for us. I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
No offence to the other players but Crowther, Batch, Annakin and even Kirmond, good as they are, would not have taken us to as many wins that we had while Hadley played.

Don't think Hadley is in question, he is irrelevant to the thread, he was a route in to a conversation about abuse of the loan system...or something, I dunno what that has to do with us loaning out good players to direct competition.
He could be loaned out, he could be loaned out and be the best value signing a club has ever made, but not to clubs we are directly competing against, that would be....um....counter productive, regardless of whether he plays against us or not, he'd still be trying to help Cas win games, why would we support that ?

Hull obviously got benefit from loaning Hadley out to direct competition. He helped us beat many of the sides competing, against both Wakey and Hull, for the top 4. He was always available, fit and ready, for recall. This year they also have a much improved player.
All that could apply to Jowitt if he's loaned out to Cas.