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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Crowther is solid. He’s a good defender but limited in attack and has no hands to get involved in plays or link ups. Very definition of a squad player really. He may come into his own as a late bloomer in his late 30s but he works hard. I’d be okay with him staying but not overly disappointed if he didn’t. I would wish him well as a trinity product.
As for Lyne. Well, he’s only 30 and should be in his pomp but he’s got a turning circle like the titanic and since his England call ups his form has deteriorated quite drastically in 2022 and 2023.'"
We have differing opinions on many aspects which is fair enough , but I think your summary is about right on this one. I would also add that as far back as I can recollect players form seems to drop when they have a benefit year
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| Yet another player berated by all and sundry as not good enough for our club and now he’s suddenly turned into Jessie Bromwich and there is a public outpouring amongst fans that we’re letting our best players go . Make up your mind please as it’s getting more farcical by the day listening to what must surely be the most fickle fans around
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Yet another player berated by all and sundry as not good enough for our club and now he’s suddenly turned into Jessie Bromwich and there is a public outpouring amongst fans that we’re letting our best players go . Make up your mind please as it’s getting more farcical by the day listening to what must surely be the most fickle fans around'"
I agree, applies to both Crowther and Kershaw
I like both of them, they give all they have for the club BUT the fickle fans, as you rightly say have upgraded them for their own purpose to 'star' status, which they aren't.
I don't know, but assume both are OOC at the end of the season, in which case there's little we can do about it if they want to go.
In any event, personally even if we stay up (which we won't) I'd like to see a few more players leaving the club.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"=#FF0000Yet another player berated by all and sundry as not good enough for our club and now he’s suddenly turned into Jessie Bromwich and there is a public outpouring amongst fans that we’re letting our best players go . Make up your mind please as it’s getting more farcical by the day listening to what must surely be the most fickle fans around'"
Yep and I bet it's made his dad laugh if he's seen this Kettykat.....
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Yep and I bet it's made his dad laugh if he's seen this Kettykat.....'"
The very reason why BLM left this site alone is the constant berating of his son . I like Both Kershaw and Jordy and was hoping when MC alluded to offering a core set of players financial stability going forwards in the form of a duel contract that these two along with max would be the first names on the sheet to both stabilise and move forwards as a club
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| Based on what Carter said and the published list of yet to be determined, I think we've offered contracts to Jowitt, Lino and Bowes.
The rest are being worked through but they can also discuss elsewhere if they want to.
And Gale I think.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Crowther is solid. He’s a good defender but limited in attack and has no hands to get involved in plays or link ups. Very definition of a squad player really. He may come into his own as a late bloomer in his late 30s but he works hard. I’d be okay with him staying but not overly disappointed if he didn’t. I would wish him well as a trinity product.
As for Lyne. Well, he’s only 30 and should be in his pomp but he’s got a turning circle like the titanic and since his England call ups his form has deteriorated quite drastically in 2022 and 2023.'"
Your first paragraph nicely describes 2 of our overseas players, l know who I'd want in the trenches with me when fighting for the clubs future or trying to get back up next season.
It wouldn't be those 2.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Based on what Carter said and the published list of yet to be determined, I think we've offered contracts to Jowitt, Lino and Bowes.
The rest are being worked through but they can also discuss elsewhere if they want to.
And Gale I think.'"
I thought Gale was signed until the end of 2024 therefore I would think he will be with us for the duration
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I thought Gale was signed until the end of 2024 therefore I would think he will be with us for the duration'"
Lino
Personally looking at the out of contract list I would be aiming at Ben Reynolds. Seen him a few times this season and looks to have improved a lot since he was last here at wakey.
I’ve never been convinced by Lino and I’m still not. He’s a luxury to a team like ours. I also don’t think he’s good enough at SL level.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Lino
Personally looking at the out of contract list I would be aiming at Ben Reynolds. Seen him a few times this season and looks to have improved a lot since he was last here at wakey.
I’ve never been convinced by Lino and I’m still not. He’s a luxury to a team like ours. I also don’t think he’s good enough at SL level.'"
Think he is one of about 4 players that are good enough ,one as played one match ,IT is the rest of the squad that are not good enough
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| Quote ="PopTart"Based on what Carter said and the published list of yet to be determined, I think we've offered contracts to Jowitt, Lino and Bowes.
The rest are being worked through but they can also discuss elsewhere if they want to.
And Gale I think.'"
I think that we need a few more players
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| Quote ="Kettykat"The very reason why BLM left this site alone is the constant berating of his son . I like Both Kershaw and Jordy and was hoping when MC alluded to offering a core set of players financial stability going forwards in the form of a duel contract that these two along with max would be the first names on the sheet to both stabilise and move forwards as a club'"
Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
Bizarrely not okay for the other one who has suddenly reappeared when I was critical of his 'world class' played a dozen games for 50 clubs. You always speak highly of young players, generally that play for Huddersfield on both this and the other forum, yet don't see what JC offers this club. Effort and attitude alone, puts him in the top 3 currently here. And before that other moron turns up SP. Yes we know, at the moment that isn't difficult, blah blah.
Top and bottom of it is, players like JC is who we build this club around, if the board haven't even made an offer, then they deserve everything thrown at them!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
No , but he wasn’t on here to listen to his son get all the abuse he got either . Have worked with BLM down the pit and he’s no shrinking violet believe me , but personal abuse hiding behind a false name is really big and tough . I’m sure BLM I is his sons biggest critic , but you have to draw the line when it gets personal . Just like the abuse proctor is getting From a small minority of the crowd who constantly shout profanity at him when stood behind the sticks . , it’s not acceptable in the work place so why should it be anywhere else.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"No , but he wasn’t on here to listen to his son get all the abuse he got either . Have worked with BLM down the pit and he’s no shrinking violet believe me , but personal abuse hiding behind a false name is really big and tough . I’m sure BLM I is his sons biggest critic , but you have to draw the line when it gets personal . Just like the abuse proctor is getting From a small minority of the crowd who constantly shout profanity at him when stood behind the sticks . , it’s not acceptable in the work place so why should it be anywhere else.'"
Just makes the point that thsse are real people.
Why people feel the need to criticise people the way they do is beyond me.
You would never do it in real life, why people think it's OK on the Internet is simply because they think anonymity gives them some protection......but to me, its nothing more than cowardly.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Just makes the point that thsse are real people.
Why people feel the need to criticise people the way they do is beyond me.
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While I agree I must say I haven’t seen any abuse on here aimed at Crowther. Certainly not for his attitude and effort.
More the criticism has been of his game/ability as a player. Obviously if there’s been any personal abuse I may not have seen it and that’s wrong.
If I was a parent of a player I honestly don’t think I would be on a forum or want to read any social media that relates.
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His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
What an awful post, just no need.
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| Thats not really called for avenger. I personally stay clear of criticism of players, they pull the shirt on, put their bodies on the line and have reached a level that I could only dream of during my youth playing days.
I know it's shooting season at the moment but he remains blm son and for me gave his all on the field.
However criticism aimed at non active chairmen and ceos is fine in my book,
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| Oh Lampy
You got so close to being a normal human being then blew it.
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| Quote ="burtonsrlfc"Bizarrely not okay for the other one who has suddenly reappeared when I was critical of his 'world class' played a dozen games for 50 clubs. You always speak highly of young players, generally that play for Huddersfield on both this and the other forum, yet don't see what JC offers this club. Effort and attitude alone, puts him in the top 3 currently here. And before that other moron turns up SP. Yes we know, at the moment that isn't difficult, blah blah.
Top and bottom of it is, players like JC is who we build this club around, if the board haven't even made an offer, then they deserve everything thrown at them!'"
I’ve never spoken harshly about Jordan, I’ve justifiably criticised certain incidences when the evidence has been clear to see but it’s never been personal or out of order. I’ll take an average player who puts his heart and soul into a game over a talented player who can’t be d everytime
My point is that all players have families and they’ve always had to sit in a stand with someone being overly critical and accept that it’s part and parcel of it all, good and bad. You can’t just lap up the compliments and take your bat and ball home when you hear something critical.
Quote ="Kettykat"No , but he wasn’t on here to listen to his son get all the abuse he got either . Have worked with BLM down the pit and he’s no shrinking violet believe me , but personal abuse hiding behind a false name is really big and tough . I’m sure BLM I is his sons biggest critic , but you have to draw the line when it gets personal . Just like the abuse proctor is getting From a small minority of the crowd who constantly shout profanity at him when stood behind the sticks . , it’s not acceptable in the work place so why should it be anywhere else.'"
That kind of abuse, well, ‘‘twas ever thus!
I haven’t ever heard or read any comments that are in that category but that isn’t to say they haven’t happened!
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"What an awful post, just no need.'"
Not at all, just realistic, read my reply above!
If you think that my first comment is awful then you better steel yourself because the worlds a nasty place and social media is even worse.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Not at all, just realistic, read my reply above!
If you think that my first comment is awful then you better steel yourself because the worlds a nasty place and social media is even worse.'"
And you are contributing to it.
There is nothing wrong with criticising a players performance, but it's nearly always pushed too far.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Thats not really called for avenger. I personally stay clear of criticism of players, they pull the shirt on, put their bodies on the line and have reached a level that I could only dream of during my youth playing days.
I know it's shooting season at the moment but he remains blm son and for me gave his all on the field.
However criticism aimed at non active chairmen and ceos is fine in my book,'"
And another, my post was about family and friends of players understanding that players, even great players, get both praise and criticism. You can’t lap up the former and then whinge about the latter.
My post wasn’t a comment on Jordy
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