Ahh I see those are from 2010, that’s still Ted era and nothing to do with the current developments or the current company that owns the club. I have no idea what it was for or where it went but it’s ancient history. Not sure what they are trying to prove.

Unless those dates are wrong. Didn’t even think there was a Trust in 2010.

Hold on I’m not insulting you at all, what makes you think that, jeez people are sensitive.

It’s the authors I’m having a pop at not you!

I just can’t work out the logic of what they are saying.

No default reaction at all, I think I’m the one being insulted here

The trust was formed in 2009, it’s the one that was supposed to take charge of the Newmarket build with Trinity as anchor tenants. Ted formed it with Rodders and Dave Hinchliffe i think. The others, TRB & co. came later.

At a guess the point they are now trying to make is that the current plans mean money from the developments due at Newmarket now will go towards tidying up a facility owned by a private company whilst the stadium land becomes warehousing. So i imagine the angle is what’s happened to the community money raised? (if it was, no idea before anyone jumps down my throat). Seems like blatant politicking to me.

Ahh that makes sense.

My main issue is that the current Trinity is nothing to do with the old company that was wound up I believe. So it’s extremely unfair and misleading.

It’s not just blatant politicking it’s pointless, almost an own goal.

I’m not sure what mileage they think they will get. The apathy Trinity face with the general public works both ways. When people see the date and the name Trinity they will think blimey that was ages ago and are they still going as a club.

Just idiotic.

Well, all this was 12 years ago, so apart from Newmarket, what about Thornes park, that land near Peacock Estate, was Durkar also mentioned?
Regarding the money, I’ll show you what this chap wrote.

A few days later this money was transferred out of the Trust bank account to a company called Wakefield Developments Ltd, which was apparently to pay for the design of the new stadium.
All well and good you may think, but for £125,000. There really ought to be some extremely detailed and specific drawings of a stadium in existence. Curiously, nobody has ever seen them.
The Trust doesn’t have them and neither do the council.Neither is there an invoice to cover the money paid out, as far as we can tell.
Like the community trust, Wakefield Developments has now been wound up and no longer exists, but not before the Council repaid the loan to the Co Op bank, with your money.
What did we get for our cash and why does nobody have a copy of the drawings? In fact, nobody reports having ever seen any such drawings, including people who sat on the Trust, many of whom are as mystified as the rest of us.
I’m not sure if you were on the trust at this time Vasty, but does it make any sense to you now, having read some of this prospective conservative Candidate, and muck raker.

Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Well, all this was 12 years ago, so apart from Newmarket, what about Thornes park, that land near Peacock Estate, was Durkar also mentioned? Regarding the money, I’ll show you what this chap wrote. A few days later this money was transferred out of the Trust bank account to a company called Wakefield Developments Ltd, which was apparently to pay for the design of the new stadium. All well and good you may think, but for £125,000. There really ought to be some extremely detailed and specific drawings of a stadium in existence. Curiously, nobody has ever seen them. The Trust doesn’t have them and neither do the council.Neither is there an invoice to cover the money paid out, as far as we can tell. Like the community trust, Wakefield Developments has now been wound up and no longer exists, but not before the Council repaid the loan to the Co Op bank, with your money. What did we get for our cash and why does nobody have a copy of the drawings? In fact, nobody reports having ever seen any such drawings, including people who sat on the Trust, many of whom are as mystified as the rest of us. I’m not sure if you were on the trust at this time Vasty, but does it make any sense to you now, having read some of this prospective conservative Candidate, and muck raker.'" Wakefield Developments Ltd with persons with significant control https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 6/officers

Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Well, all this was 12 years ago, so apart from Newmarket, what about Thornes park, that land near Peacock Estate, was Durkar also mentioned? Regarding the money, I’ll show you what this chap wrote. A few days later this money was transferred out of the Trust bank account to a company called Wakefield Developments Ltd, which was apparently to pay for the design of the new stadium. All well and good you may think, but for £125,000. There really ought to be some extremely detailed and specific drawings of a stadium in existence. Curiously, nobody has ever seen them. The Trust doesn’t have them and neither do the council.Neither is there an invoice to cover the money paid out, as far as we can tell. Like the community trust, Wakefield Developments has now been wound up and no longer exists, but not before the Council repaid the loan to the Co Op bank, with your money. What did we get for our cash and why does nobody have a copy of the drawings? In fact, nobody reports having ever seen any such drawings, including people who sat on the Trust, many of whom are as mystified as the rest of us. I’m not sure if you were on the trust at this time Vasty, but does it make any sense to you now, having read some of this prospective conservative Candidate, and muck raker.'" Wakefield Developments Ltd with persons with significant control https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 6/officers

Quote ="snowie"Wakefield Developments Ltd with persons with significant control https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 6/officers'" So, that's the Yorkcourt guys then!! Certainly Colin Mackie and Curtis Jones are, and I believe the other Jones listed is Curtis's dad. God knows where the £134k originally came from but it's pretty obvious (and not at all surprising) who it went to.

Quote ="snowie"Wakefield Developments Ltd with persons with significant control https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 6/officers'" So, that's the Yorkcourt guys then!! Certainly Colin Mackie and Curtis Jones are, and I believe the other Jones listed is Curtis's dad. God knows where the £134k originally came from but it's pretty obvious (and not at all surprising) who it went to.

Quote ="snowie"Wakefield Developments Ltd with persons with significant control https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 6/officers'" That is unbelievable Snowy, how is it possible that a company building on Wakefield ratepayers land, qualifies for local taxpayers money, for stadium design, that the company had agreed to build said stadium, in exchange for being given the land. I’ve got a headache coming on.

Quote ="snowie"Wakefield Developments Ltd with persons with significant control https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 6/officers'" That is unbelievable Snowy, how is it possible that a company building on Wakefield ratepayers land, qualifies for local taxpayers money, for stadium design, that the company had agreed to build said stadium, in exchange for being given the land. I’ve got a headache coming on.

I'm surprised the fraud squad hasn't been involved but then you have to have something definite to go on

Because it’s not fraud. What it is, is immoral. But unlike you or I these people don’t acknowledge the latter and are to smart to get caught doing the former.

I’m not a developer or in local government but I suspect all Councils have some budget they can use to support local developments. The key word is ‘development,. Truth is most potential developments fail at planning and the money spent at that point is written off. For example how many sets of plans do you suppose the council have paid for to re-develop Kirkgate or other zones? A fair few I suspect most of which never got off the drawing board.

I’m only guessing but I suspect it works on those lines.

The only possible fraud is whether those plans and prep work for NM were worth that amount of money? Maybe who knows but it’s not the level of cash that would push the fraud squad into action I’m afraid.

The Tories know this, it’s a dead end from a dead end that died years ago. Of all the monies wasted by WMDC over the years they pick on this one. Somebody is pulling strings here.

Shameful political nonsense.

I, like many others on here, had suspicions of wrongdoing many times during the Newmarket fiasco, and this political swipe has simply added fuel to a very old fire.
To answer your point Snowie, for the police to investigate, a complaint has to be made to them . I often wandered why WMDC remained virtually silent in the whole affair? Surely they would have been the ones to complain if public funds were missing, and unaccounted for?
A police investigation may well have shown a genuine reason for the funds being withdrawn, but as it was public money there should surely have been an audit trail as to where it went and why?
Anyway it's political muckraking from the past, and hopefully better times ahead for us as we move on.

You're probably right Vasty in that it may NOT be fruad but as an ex cop I investigated, as a mere member of CID alleged frauds of a higher amount than this, without bothering the Commercial Branch (fraud squad)
Some fraud was uncovered and some monies were NOT subject of fraud but the investigation at least cleared up what had happened to, what was also public money.
Anyway your last line sums it up perfectly

we talk about an audit trail and the fact that public funds have gone missing that should be the basis of who was in control at the time to audit them, if we have a date then surely we have a name to in which to inquire where they have gone

I think a lot more questions should have been asked at the time by people who were responsible for that money being spent.
They weren’t and it’s so long ago now nobody seems to care!

The problem was that at the time the only people who had the knowledge to ask the questions were the same people whose actions were questionable. As an ex-copper you will have seen that situation a few times.

Exactly.

Exactly.

sorry that's just tosh, if that's the case the ones your questioning should openly explain where its gone, surely the club can ask or was the club also involved at the time, and now that's changed they have a right to question it now

can we get Neil to write a book about it

He has already written one in which the main suspect was called Peter Box (The darkness around her) .I guess there are plenty of other characters involved in the ongoing fiasco who could lend their names to a "fictional" literary work !
My usual commission rates apply Slugger.

You just don't understand the real world, shame



Stop being truculent, of course, I'd like that to happen, so why don't you go and make it happen? Then if you do then let me know and I'll buy you a pint but remember I'm 58 and you look even older and the average life expectancy for a British male is not that long.

Not the only paperwork that "disappeared" during the whole Newmarket fiasco.

Yes I know exactly what you mean!

thanks for that I'll go sit in the kindergarten and let all grown ups play their mind games while I die off

Seriously, have a go see how far it gets you. Ask TRB, he spent 10 years fighting them and although he and his supporters managed at least one great victory it didn’t stop the other side getting what they wanted in the end. He tried but they just have to much muscle.

I’m not saying it was all pointless they are certainly directly responsible imo for the offer we have now and should it go through they will have most definitely helped save the day all be it a much reduced scheme. However bringing those to account for a huge con, not a chance.

Like it or not the worst thing we can do now is dredge up the past , justified it may be but it won’t help anybody.

We now have the Council and YC in our sights again and we need to move forward and salvage what we can.

The other side have got away with financial murder, let’s not let them become serial killers. Like it or not we need these people, tragic but there you go.

I might sound mercenary but if I honestly believed the Tories were doing this to put right an injustice I’d then have to think very hard. However they are clearly just trying to score very cheap political points. They are no better than Box or Walker or any of them.

I fully get what you say and I understand your frustration, I can assure you that where we are now is most certainly not what I envisage when I co founded SWAG in 2004. To say what is being offered now is diluted would be a huge understatement but we are where we are. The world is a crap place for decent people.

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