I think if we get up for it we will win simple, It will be tight first half battle, but if we can open up a lead before half time, then defend well in second half and score a couple of trys in first 20 mins, the flood gates could open...


But if we go in half baked then Cas could get a ***

I will go with a 38-16 win, Ali lau man of match and Ben Cockyane Hat-Trick..

doesn't matter who wins to me for the following reasons:

- the game will be terrible due to the conditions
- it's a meaningless game as neither side have any depth to compete for silverware
- it's not the NRL (or even NEARLY in the same league, so I will be watching that)
- Cas are useless and I think they'll drag wakefield down (not very far it ahs to be said) to our level
- it's not worth £21
- it'll mean I have to avoid both the Cas and Wakefield forums for the one-eyed drivel that will be spouted
- I'd rather have bragging rights about trophies, not a very rare win.
- it's the lowest profile derby in Super League
- it's just not top level rugby

Is the depression and snow getting to you





do not be doing owt silly

, but ay join the Cas wildcats like me come on over to the Wildcats after all we are the peoples team, a team for all of Wakefield a district and beyond

I'm a Canberra Raiders kinda guy these days

I have followed the ford for long enough really. I will still always hope they win, but I can't be bothered with the "well we are looking much stronger this year" tripe every season.

I think both our clubs dream of glory but it won't happen in our lifetimes.

If anyone can tell me that the Super League product is better than NRL then fire away...

Ultimately mate, cas have had £84 out of me this year and a ton of my money means more to me than a bog standard leave of rugby league.

Sadly it's taken me until I've spent it to realise this.

The money I spend goes on the wrong things. They club won't exist fairly son because we have been over-frivelous with money. For a long time we have been punching far above our weight, and the time is quickly approaching where it's no longer possible.

Over the years I have put a lot of my money into both Castleford AND wakefield (when Cas are away) and what have I been paying for????? Wakefield went bust and had to re-open and cas are going the same way. Whoever has been in receipt of my money has just wasted it, and they are not deserving of another penny from me.

Especially when I can pay £2 and watch a decent normanton team

Someone like Andy Ellis perhaps.

Okey Dokey I will keep battling away at Trin and hope for the best.. WTID

each to their own...

I just have better things to spend £21 and my weekend on than a poor standard of rugby

We need to be on top of the forward battle as the conditions will be better for Cas than Wakey.As we all know we arnt a bad side when the ground is dry but at the moment the grounds being as they are we cant play the game that we are best with.If we take all the steam out of the pack then we will go well as the forwards have proven they can match any pack as they did against Hudds and Catalan.

These are by far your best point, tbh the rest just sounds bitter.

It's not depth it is the will, especially where the CCup is concerned. Too many mercenary Aussie and non local players in both teams who simply don't get the romance of it. The cup was always the best chance for clubs like ours to compete and now it's just become an away day for some clubs and a can't be bothered game for others. Wakefields history in the CCup through the SL era has been an utter disgrace. Now the CCup has been diluted by our desire to ape all things Austraian and it would seem no one can be bothered any more, teams seem to stumble to the final now..

Not sure why it ranks as low as it does in the eyes of the media - I do think it matters to a lot of Cas and Wakey fans - some deluded people from both camps try to pretend Leeds is the big one but it isn't, sadly that's almost giant killing these days.

I get what you're saying Vasty - and maybe it purely is bitterness... I don't see how though, with relegation gone and the play off system too long winded to give either of us (who MAY finish 8th) a chance, it is an important game other than being able to go "harar we won we won" ...i've never been one to class "bragging rights" as which of our teams are the least poor on one given afternoon.

but I totally agree - every single one of our foreign imports are either past their best or have failed to make it in Aus. and Aussies (for whatever reason) just don't get that fans thrive on the history of the CC

Chase - didn't make it
Smith - didn't make it
Poore - past his best
Millington - didn't make it

the list goes on - but all culminating in my reasoning that we are two below average teams playing for very little. Our only concern is existing as clubs. It's like two galapagos turtles going into battle...

Absolute codswallop!

There are some great players on both sides who would fayre well in many a side over the years. Chase and Smith are excellent players and Poore is definitely worth his place. There are plenty of good / creative players - maybe more so in the wakey side just now, but that doesn't mean anything on derby day.

Get your head out of your arris and get down on Friday and support your boys efforts and support your club. They will never improve if you don't get behind them!

I think there is more to come from Poore hopefully Friday night, come on Trin see you at the match, lets get there in numbers.. WTID

I'm not convinced by this. The aussies post match interviews after the cup always seem to be gushing about the cup. Hardly scientific, but I think Sky's derision of the competition for the past 20 years has more to do with it. They bang on about Superleague like it's the only thing in the world - forgetting internationals, championship, NLs etc.

Our record since 1999 when we were admitted to Superleague is nothing to shout about, but at least we have made a semi final during the time since then, which is better than in any year since 1979.

I wouldn't say Poore is past his best at all, he's sill only 28. He had a bad injury that knocked him off his game for quite a while but past it is not right.

As for Smith not making it, good because then we wouldn't have the privileged of watching him play here.

We've also got Aiton & Collis who imo are both class.

Also if you can't be bothered 'which of our teams are the least poor on one given afternoon' I'd knock it on the head mate, can't get my head around that.

This.

I can understand a Cas fan feeling like that at the mo - they seem to be lurching towards the same situation we were in a couple of seasons ago, which will dampen the ardour of even the most diehard fans.

Personally, I like the feisty nature of this fixture and for me, it exists as a standalone piece of entertainment; I don't particularly worry about the context in terms of league position or whether the Aussie players understand quite how much the two clubs dislike each other. It is possible to over-think these things.

The guys entitled to his opinion, if he wants to keep his brass in his pocket thats up to him. Christ i've felt like that about wakey enough times in the past to know where he's coming from!

Yeah - and we're still here! He just needs a gentle reminder to look up instead of down - they have the nucleus of a decent side there and can compete with most sides on their day - beating Leeds and nearly downing Wigan.

Fed up of people talking our game down - its fantastic - and if we don't like it then why should we expect anyone else to!

The fact that this fixture is played for the Adam Watene memorial trophy is enough for me, no matter where either club sits in the league at the point in time that it is played.

I guess we don't actually now have anyone left who played with Adam so to the players it might not mean as much but for me it is always a chance to remember the big man. RIP Adam.

Wilkes will have player with Watene in his first stint at the club.

Olly Wilkes and Peter Fox will have been here first time round with Adam wouldn't they?

consider it firmly knocked

right, so Poore is still of Origin quality is he? Don't make me giggle. He is here because he couldn't stay fit - he's only playing 40 mintues per game for you guys.

to say watching a man wh can't tackle play is "a privelege" then for me that about sums up the standard. And we have the mercurial Rangi on show as well... *sigh* a man who runs across the line, runs back, runs across again, then drops it off to someone stood still



yes, this is a game that trully inspires me.

On a brighter note, Normanton play Eastmoor on Saturday!

If you want to see players playing for their town, rather than pretending to be great players mixing it with the big time.

As I say, I don't expect everyone to agree, but if this fixture is the highlight of your year then it's a real shame.

Ooh, you're a bitter man Dave!

Personally, I think you're under-playing the quality of some our foreign imports; none are perfect, but to focus on Smith's tackling for example, is to ignore the absolutely sublime passing game - when he plays well, I would still argue that he is the best passer of the ball in SL right now. I don't expect my HB to be a tackling machine!

Poore is still regaining match fitness and I think he'll hit his straps mid-season when he's got plenty of game time under his belt - we haven't seen the best of him yet granted, but even below par, he's one of the more difficult forwards in the game to handle.

As for your lot - I'd agree that Rangi is a frustrating player but he can also be one of the most entertaining; seems his head is wrong this season and that's brought out the worst in him. I also like Carney for you guys - he's a wrecking ball and very entertaining to watch.

If you'd picked out Mellars and Millington on the other hand, you might have had a point...

I think, to get to the root cause of my frustration.... I don't think the product is worth £21.

Do you know it's about a tenner to go watch Paramatta?

we are playing over double the money for half the standard.... AND the club is peeing it down the drain - hence you guys went bust and we are heading down the same road - unless we accept we cannot relentlessly punch above our weight

in fact in 2006 it was $14 - about £6.50 at the time