I am with you on Howarth. However Daryl Powell obviously thinks different and prefers McShane over Moore. I have also spoken
to a couple of Cas 'regulars' who said McShane is a far better player and were really happy at the outcome of the swap deal.

Take it you have forgotten about Moore costing us the game at Salford then. McShane did fine for us as anyone who knows the first thing about RL will tell you. He's not perfect hence he was with us but he is every bit as good, if not better in many aspects, than Moore is. They are just different styles and the swap suited us and Cas at the time. Moore will have an equal amount brain farts and good moments, it's the nature of the beast. He wouldn't be my choice but it sounds like he will be here again next year.

No but what I have remembered is that he adds an aggressive streak to our defence and offers more of a running threat than McShane ever did (take the try that sealed the MPG game as an example)

As for Tupou he is a decent signing if he plays on the wing where he has spent virtually all his career. He just hasn't got the skills in attack for centre and the lack of space meant his power was nullified and he never even crossed the tryline for us.

That aggressive streak nearly cost us twice in that game alone. It was a good run and he has got that ability but he can also be a liability and i think you'll see that next season. And actually as good as that run was he got lucky as it was the wrong call! He was very nearly caught at marker on the last with two minutes to go, it should have been banged into the corner! Anyway personally i'd have preferred Sio and Godinet rotating.

Bill Tupou is a good signing for winger next season due to his strong running along with Johnstone on the other wing. Owen when fit and Lynne to provide cover.

Outwide with 4/5 metres to the try line he will be hard to stop and should score a few if there is a decent centre inside him. Also good taking up the ball in Trinity's own half like Cockayne and Fox were a few seasons ago.

Just need Godinet, Anthony Tupou and Ben Pomeroy if there is the money and quota space for them.....Pomeroy and Tupou would be impressive with old Sharks colleague A.Tupou inside Pomeroy on that flank at second row.

Surely Godinet is staying? He can play 6,7 and 9.

I actually think he makes some valid points. We're signing the same players who got spanked pretty much every week this season. Not only that, but the majority of them looked like they didn't care either. And they seem to be getting rewarded for it! Maybe you'd be better finding another club where all the fans are happy with such sub standard performances and never speak out against anyone or anything?

Finally somone with some sense

So if we didn't re sign the players we have done, where are the players coming from to take their places?
The attitude of the players improved when BS took over, we didn't win as many as a lot of people expected but he moved players on and brought players in he could work with.
The club achieved what it set out to do at the start of the season without financial implosion.
It's not going to happen overnight at Wakey because even BS hasn't got a magic wand.

Jesus TRB !!!! we only managed to win 3 games in the regular season, so by your reckoning even that was too many !!!!

I had you down for one of the rose tinted brigade and not a miserable realist like myself

I'm ok with re-signing a fair amount of last years squad. By the comments on the signings it appears a lot of focus will be on pre-season working on what each individual player needs to strenthen their game. If these players are willing to stick to a rigid individual plan we could see some dramatic improvement in players like walker, arundel etc.

If smith thinks he can work with these players and mould them into a team over pre season im with him and will see how it plays.

I'm happy with the squad providing the pre season has a massive focus on it. I do think still we need to add in 2 quality players. Tupou would be one And someone like BJB or Ferguson the other.

So lets just sign players for sake of it.we didnt inprove thst much under b smith yes we stayed up but just.

So where are these 'mystery' players coming from?
BS brought players in that take time to settle in.
He is signing the best he can with the money he has.
But don't let that spoil your moan.

Maybe i could blame your rose tinted glasses cos if your happy with the squad well enjoy the pastings we gonna get again

You still haven't told me where these 'better' players we should be signing are coming from?
I will be there next year, glass half full!

Suggest Leedscat goes and follows Leeds. What part of 'we don't have the money to sign super stars' hasn't sunk in yet? We sign players we can afford, simple as. Some people don't get it. NO MONEY = NO SUPER STARS

But apparently we will spend the full cap this year which makes our cheque book as big as anyone else's.

Not inc this year!

But the point is we did with a group.of players that got used to losing but after our escape those same guys dont want to be in the same position next year im a bit of a realist or at least I like to think I am, an I think top 8 is possible.

Why would i go watch them i been wakey danbfor 33 years aint gonna change now.and as for money MC stated himself we would be near to cap if not there and be spending more than last season well at this moment i dont see it and if we are not then fine but dont say where gonna be and i do believe we are signing players for sake of it

With current squad cant see where we going to win enough to get in top 8 infact we will finish bottom

Hope your right and im wrong though

I was obviously talking about 1st choice hookers, I can name plenty 2nd and 3rd choice ones that are worse.

My lasting memory is McShane getting knocked over and falling off tackles everytime, oh and being the 3rd man in falling on top to make it look like he'd been involved.

Anyway Bill Tupou is a solid signing for a team like us, I'm happy.

Glad Bill will be playing for us next year. He is a proper player. I like him.

Great signing he must stay on the wing though; now lets sign a mouth watering centre alongside him!

I agree - Carter and Smith are deliberately signing any old dross they can get their hands on, to engineer another dreadful season at BV; that makes perfect sense.