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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Yes there are good arguments for rewarding some sections of society, but Can you tell me how the government will be able to sort out the future financial problems that the virus has caused. The furlough payment, the unemployment benefits being paid now, let alone to be paid in a few weeks when lockdown ends, and there’s a lot of jobs disappearing. Loss of tax revenues. Already the Chancellor is discussing removing the so called triple lock from the state pension, the pensioners are probably the most vulnerable group in the country. I’ve mentioned on another post, I think the government will need to put billions more into the economy, to create jobs, and infrastructure, taxes will be increased, and I hope those tax dodgers will be chased up. Anyone who has the answer, please contact Boris.'"
I was referring to his hypocrisy.
Clapping for the NHS (long before he was taken ill) but, part of a government that CHOSE to squeeze those at the bottom of the pile and freeze the wages of those who we have had to rely on for the last 3/4 months.
You want hypocrisy. Well, you have it right there.
I think what is most likely is an easing of restrictions too quickly and there will be the predicted "second wave" and I have no idea what strategy will be chosen at that point.
Yes, there will have to be tax rises and inevitably, especially with a Tory government, those lowest down the pecking order, will be squeezed the most.
Somebody posted on here that the political parties and politicians "are all the same" - you and I know that they are not.
We had the tag line of "all in this together" during the May era but, clearly we weren't and we never will be.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"To quote one of your earlier posts, they'll just have to "accept responsibility for themselves".'"
I’m sure you’ll find the pensioners of this country are pro the most responsible group in our society. Perhaps you, or your parents fall into this category. I apologise in advance if your parents aren’t longer with you.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"[iOlszewski, the founder of an anti-vaccination group in Florida, is also publishing a book about her experiences at the hospital and has a GoFundMe that seeks to raise $150,000 on the basis of her claims.[/i
This Erin Marie Olsewski? Never let a good crisis go to waste, indeed. I'd say she was an out-and-out fraud trying to make a quick buck. She's no more credible than a scammer. But, whatever gets you through your 'free-thinking' day.
I've read some of the comments on Olszewski videos. They range from "Because covid-19 doesn't exist. It's a global hoax to bring a global dictatorship." to "There is a pyramid of power in the world. This pandemic was planned a long time ago. Bill Gates talked about population reduction through vaccination in 2015. In a dollar bill there is a picture of a pyramide and one eye inside of it with words "new world order" in latin beneath it." Cranks who have just wasted about 5 minutes of my day!
The bit in bold. It's pretty easy for sockpuppets to shower social media with this sort of thing. My wife works in the NHS and she is part of a Covid frontline group. It started off pretty normal. Experiences were being shared and concerns were being voiced by what looked to be genuine NHS workers. Then, when talk of getting the economy back open began, new users started popping up who were saying the virus wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. When the media started reporting on a second wave these same users, and a few more new ones, started to post that what we have just had was probably the second wave, as the virus had probably been with us since last Autumn. It was all very coincidental. There was no talk of this before mention of opening the economy and a second wave.
Now, let me ask you this. I'm guessing you're one of those poeple who 'thinks for himself' and doesn't listen to the 'MSM'? What makes you trust single random people, who just pop up on the internet out of nowhere, even more? It sounds to me like you're wanting to find a conspiracy in all of this, and are just looking for anyone who will confirm your suspicions.'"
So you didn't watch the video and cherry picked a few silly comments. Well done you. In fact I have little doubt some of those comments were put there just to discredit the video.
A front line nurse is now a "single random person who pops out of nowhere". No, she pops out of the Elmhurst Hospital in New York. She served as a nurse in Iraq and was asked by FEMA to transfer her skills from Florida to NY, so hardly "random".
Sockpuppet, out and out fraud?. Your evidence that she DID NOT work at that hospital?? ? Your more into character assassination than bothering to see the evidence she has. Typical reaction in this day and age.
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| Quote ="Miro"So you didn't watch the video and cherry picked a few silly comments. Well done you. In fact I have little doubt some of those comments were put there just to discredit the video.
A front line nurse is now a "single random person who pops out of nowhere". No, she pops out of the Elmhurst Hospital in New York. She served as a nurse in Iraq and was asked by FEMA to transfer her skills from Florida to NY, so hardly "random".
Sockpuppet, out and out fraud?. Your evidence that she DID NOT work at that hospital?? ? Your more into character assassination than bothering to see the evidence she has. Typical reaction in this day and age.'"
Ah, so you see how easy it is to create sockpuppet accounts to discredit things posted online.
I don't doubt she worked in the hospital. What I am questioning is her motive. Is she doing this for the good of the human race, or has she got dollar signs flashing in her eyes? It's interesting to note that the news outlets who seem to have gone for the story are Fox News and Alex Jones' Infowars. The last bastions of truth!
Will you be buying Olszewski's book? Have you donated to her GoFundMe?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Not this myth again.
It's currently spreading like wildfire in Brazil. Record number of new infections today. And while June is Brazil's 'coldest' month, temperatures still average 19/20 degrees. It'll be into the mid 20s for the majority of this week.'"
Comments below.
I believe you King Street Cat. Well said. Did I ever tell you I believe in a flat earth and one eyed monsters.. *
There, that's your posts discredited.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Ah, so you see how easy it is to create sockpuppet accounts to discredit things posted online.
I don't doubt she worked in the hospital. What I am questioning is her motive. Is she doing this for the good of the human race, or has she got dollar signs flashing in her eyes? It's interesting to note that the news outlets who seem to have gone for the story are Fox News and Alex Jones' Infowars. The last bastions of truth!
Will you be buying Olszewski's book? Have you donated to her GoFundMe?
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Ah, so now she isn't an "out and out fraud".
Make your mind up.
Let your wife watch the video. She may not believe her but by god, Erins medical knowledge hardly makes her out to be a "sockpuppet"
I don't know about this crowdfunding but seeing as she was brave enough to be a whistlblower and loses her career as a result, maybe she's needs the money simply to live.
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| Quote ="Miro"Ah..but.........no I won't, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.'"
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| Quote ="Miro"Ah, so now she isn't an "out and out fraud".
Make your mind up.
Let your wife watch the video. She may not believe her but by god, Erins medical knowledge hardly makes her out to be a "sockpuppet"
I don't know about this crowdfunding but seeing as she was brave enough to be a whistlblower and loses her career as a result, maybe she's needs the money simply to live.'"
I think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.
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Quote ="King Street Cat":1mu8qy5xI think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.'" :1mu8qy5x
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https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda
However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie.
She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory.
Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now.
:1mu8qy5xSoooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..."
"However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading [i:1mu8qy5xmisinformation"[/i:1mu8qy5x
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No proof here that what she reported was "misinformation.":1mu8qy5x
and here is the well worn pull on your emotions.
"This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers "
No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline
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Seach no 1
https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda
However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie.
She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory.
Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now.
:1mu8qy5xSoooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..."
"However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading [i:1mu8qy5xmisinformation"[/i:1mu8qy5x
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No proof here that what she reported was "misinformation.":1mu8qy5x
and here is the well worn pull on your emotions.
"This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers "
No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline
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Quote ="Miro"Seach no 1
https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda
However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie.
She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory.
Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now.
Soooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..."
and here is the well worn pull on your emotions.
"This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers "
No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline.
In fact generally it could pertain to many well known activists, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mandela, the list is endless.
I shall search for more on "scarin Marie"'"
Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook.
Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc.
You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination.
Come on mate, you can do better than this...
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Quote ="Miro"Seach no 1
https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda
However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie.
She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory.
Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now.
Soooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..."
and here is the well worn pull on your emotions.
"This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers "
No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline.
In fact generally it could pertain to many well known activists, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mandela, the list is endless.
I shall search for more on "scarin Marie"'"
Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook.
Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc.
You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination.
Come on mate, you can do better than this...
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are you talking about 0.2% of the population or 0.2% of deaths for those who have contracted the virus ?
Also, you suggest that the virus wont spread during summer ??
It seems to be gathering pace in some very warm climates at present
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The 0.2% figure is the current estimate I've arrived at doing some research across the medical spectrum.
This represents the fatality percentage rate of an average population that will die from coming into contact with the virus.
In other words '2 in every 1000 people' will die compared to the seasonal flu, estimated lower at '1 in every 1000'.
As it stands, its therefore twice as deadly as the seasonal flu. However as we all know this virus is not the flu; it targets more of the elderly demographic and its affects on the human body are different to that of the flu.
Nevertheless this is good news as it's way lower than the scaremongering media predicted between, last time I checked the WHO estimated 30 - 50 people would die in every 1000 (3 - 5%).
Another measure is the infection mortality percentage rate, this will obviously be much lower because not all the general population have come across the virus yet. The UK is currently at 0.06% (even though we've performed really poorly).
In terms of infectious nature of the disease, it appears to be more infectious than the flu but with this being a coronavirus I'd expect this to be the case.
I still need to find out how this can be calculated as there doesn't seem to be any mass anti body testing being undertaken to measure the speed of transmission and the actual numbers of people that have come into contact with it.
We can however look at the Flu estimates, which predict up to 5 million people in the world can be severely affected by the flu in one year.
Currently there are globally 8,313,703 confirmed cases of COVID, of this number i've not managed to determine how many of them would be defined as severe.
Again, more information is needed on the severity of the confirmed COVID cases and infectious nature of the disease compared to the flu. I'll keep digging for answers when I find the time, bit difficult as I'm working full time again now. Please note, I accept any comparison with the flu is flawed, but I've got to use the estimates provided even if they are based on unreliable models. I've nothing else to go off and the medical centres have never performed flu tests on the industrial like scale for COVID19.
As for current COVID rates, peak infection for respiratory diseases usually last up to 70 days then it will naturally tail off regardless of many interventions. Fingers crossed most of the countries across the world are of the woods.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Do you want to put those couple of videos against the endless,, endless videos of doctors bemoaning the numbers of covid cases or refrigerated trailers lined up outside hospitals and funeral places in the states.
You're examples may be proven right, although it seems unlikely at the moment and we now have countries like Spain, deliberately under reporting the numbers so that they can open up their ecconomy.
We will have the same over here very soon, with the 2 metre distancing being "relaxed" to allow businesses to function more easily'"
It's usually me who gets accused of conjuring up conspiracy theories lol
Do you have any EVIDENCE to support these claims?
Reason for drop in to 1 metre is because they over estimated the severity of the disease lol Look at countries with the 1 metre rule they are performing way better than us.
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| Well, Matt Hancock just broke his own social distancing rule and doesn’t have the b******* excuse of “testing his eyesight”. Wonder if Patel is quick to criticise as she did with the BLM? What a circus this Government is.
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Well looking on the bright side, at least some things can cheer you up
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| Quote ="Miro"Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook.
Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc.
You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination.
Come on mate, you can do better than this...'"
Let's face it, the majority of people in the UK don't priortise data, evidence or scientific research. All we are concerned with is 'likes' on social media, character assassination, censorship and political point scoring. Scientific debates aren't welcome, certainly not on the mainstream media. Everything is about pushing an agenda. Look at basic facts of health; the number of people affected by cancer, heart disease and dementia. They far exceed the damage done by this virus and not even a whimper made by the media. The whole scandal to this virus is plain and simple; there is a complete lack of a sensible response to a coronavirus that has been blown way out of proportion.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"It's usually me who gets accused of conjuring up conspiracy theories lol
Do you have any EVIDENCE to support these claims?
Reason for drop in to 1 metre is because they over estimated the severity of the disease lol Look at countries with the 1 metre rule they are performing way better than us.'"
Simple maths and listen to the reports from the regions of Spain.
If more than 1 region reports a death in any particular dat, there has to be more than one death nationally.
Expect something similar here and then a relaxing of social distancing to 1 metre, allowing more businesses to open and making it easier for kids to get back to school.
Then, just hold your breath and hope that we dont end up back where we were 3 1/2 months ago
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Simple maths and listen to the reports from the regions of Spain.
If more than 1 region reports a death in any particular dat, there has to be more than one death nationally.
Expect something similar here and then a relaxing of social distancing to 1 metre, allowing more businesses to open and making it easier for kids to get back to school.
Then, just hold your breath and hope that we dont end up back where we were 3 1/2 months ago'"
I can see your logic but I need you to provide evidence to support this as a truth.
So far all the countries that got this virus under control and came out of lockdown have shown no indication of a second wave.
The evidence in data shows like all viruses, it has burnt itself out. It's time to fully reopen society and then act cautiously once Winter comes around again.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"Let's face it, the majority of people in the UK don't priortise data, evidence or scientific research. All we are concerned with is 'likes' on social media, character assassination, censorship and political point scoring. Scientific debates aren't welcome, certainly not on the mainstream media. Everything is about pushing an agenda. Look at basic facts of health; the number of people affected by cancer, heart disease and dementia. They far exceed the damage done by this virus and not even a whimper made by the media. The whole scandal to this virus is plain and simple; there is a complete lack of a sensible response to a coronavirus that has been blown way out of proportion.'"
I have to say I feel you are knocking your own credibility linking your post to Miro MT.
I find you slightly more open minded with an opinion that isn't the same as mine but reasonably thought out all the same.
Miro is just latching on to the smallest thing to go against the status quo.
Posting one blog, saying there are others that have been shut (so can't be proven) and then aggressively challenging others to disprove is just trolling for the sake of it or a complete tin foil hat issue. I can't decide which.
I'll certainly give you the fact you've made a boring period with no rugby much more active Miro but when you are challenging facts from every government and media outlet it is up to you to prove your case, not the other way around.
Your nurses blog is interesting, and even if back up by 'many' more, what about the millions who didn't bother to right a blog because they were OK with what they were seeing?
My main reason for doubting your credibility is that you are outraged at everything that is mainstream. Even grumpy Willzay has a balance to his views sometimes and can laugh about it when proved wrong. You just come across as desperate when you can't see even a chink of light in anybody else's point.
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| Just when you think Johnson and the government could not get any worse they choose this time to waste almost a million pounds to paint his plane in red white and blue, a minister breaks the Covid press conference rules by criticising the opposition who must have the right of reply and then the health secretary breaks the self distancing rules.
I know they couldn’t break any more promises but yes because apparently the app in the track and trace may not be ready until winter. We have no need to worry because it is not that important because we have our tracers. It would be worth ridiculing the disaster if it was not for the facts that these failures have caused unnecessary deaths.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Just when you think Johnson and the government could not get any worse they choose this time to waste almost a million pounds to paint his plane in red white and blue, a minister breaks the Covid press conference rules by criticising the opposition who must have the right of reply and then the health secretary breaks the self distancing rules.
I know they couldn’t break any more promises but yes because apparently the app in the track and trace may not be ready until winter. We have no need to worry because it is not that important because we have our tracers. It would be worth ridiculing the disaster if it was not for the facts that these failures have caused unnecessary deaths.'"
I'm pretty sure none of the things you list there have caused any deaths.
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| The last could but it is systematic of how the whole pandemic has been handled. It is not possible to get away from the fact that our number of excess deaths makes us one of the worst in the world.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The last could but it is systematic of how the whole pandemic has been handled. It is not possible to get away from the fact that our number of excess deaths makes us one of the worst in the world.'"
It was never about handling the pandemic for this government. It was all about managing the political message and the PR.
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Just to show a balanced view
BBC News - Coronavirus: Social media 'spreading virus conspiracy theories'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53085640
I'm not saying it's any more gospel than other links posted on here, but it poses the question about where you get your information. And it's on a safer website.
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Just to show a balanced view
BBC News - Coronavirus: Social media 'spreading virus conspiracy theories'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53085640
I'm not saying it's any more gospel than other links posted on here, but it poses the question about where you get your information. And it's on a safer website.
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