But maybe he signed initially on the strength that he would start more?
It's water under the bridge now, see how he goes at HKR.

I don’t actually blames the halves their only problem appears to be they are trying to cover for our deficiencies in other areas. They have no dummy runners or second phase to work from, so they try to compensate for this by doing too much. I accept their kicking game is not the best but when you consider that when Brough played his was equally unimpressive therefore the actual problem must be elsewhere.
We just don’t have a team game plan what we have is each player acts independently.

Lots of players tend to cover the stand off role these days, Miller can do that, we need a scrum half, end of.

do you mean the same half backs who outplayed Widdop and Austin in the home game which we won 18 8

We get it. You blame Chester.

Personally, although I get that we need forward power and some of our forwards are not performing (or past it) but I still think a good scrum half would improve the forwards too.
Finishing the plays properly will give us more energy in the forwards.

You only have to look at the difference Tim Smith made to Kirmond.

If the shoe fits, unfortunately yes. Wish we could see more consistency than these odd flash in the pans. Love the club but it's bloody purgatory watching these last play kicks and headless chicken unstructured routines.

Am I right in thinking no dummy runners,or no second phases is down to bad coaching or is it like the slow basic rugby we are playing according to some fans not Mr Chesters falt.So why we got a coach ,is it to keep players fit ,i do not think he is doing a good job of that .But gess that's not is falt

If the coach has to tell the Hooker to run from dummy half then the coach needs to buy a new Hooker.

The coach needs to train them with a game plan based on watching the opposition and finding gaps in their play. I regret and yes I blame Chester we have no game plan and therefore every performance is the same. We appear to adopt the inside ball quite a lot which unfortunately fools nobody.
I do not see that the addition of a scrum half will change anything because we will still be coached the same way.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

Playing Tanginoa at prop when he came as a dynamic wide running 2nd rower tells you a lot.
Wouldn't see Warrington playing BMM at prop, when you know how destructive he can be used correctly.
Got Tangata, Kopczak, Arona and King to do that.

Does not say much about a coach who signed him in the first place

You are right but that doesn't apply to either of our Hooker.
Josh has scored a few tries running from dummy half and Kyle uses the tactic a lot when we are on a roll. It's the one thing in our armoury when he comes on.

A bit unfair on my part as I know you were only using the position of hooker as an example and as far as I'm concerned we don't have a problem in that department, but there does seem to be a problem somewhere which is dividing the supporters, injuries are a big concern once again but that as an excuse will only go so far, so for me it's simply the players or the coaching staff, maybe the coach needs to surround himself with more experienced assistants, once again that comes down to that old chestnut finances, on a personal note I seem to have lost a bit of confidence in the coach, maybe the players have also lost confidence in the coach as well, it's a bit frustrating really as after the Wigan game who would have thought we'd play as badly against Catalans,maybe they're a better team than we give them credit for, time will tell and hopefully it will get sorted out sooner than later because it it's not sorted this season then we will have big problems next season.

I know I’m probably in a minority here but I just don’t rate Tanginoa. I think he flatters to deceive. He doesn’t break the line as often a people make out, he can’t pass, his handling is suspect and his work rate in attack is average.

However it’s his defence that I really don’t like. Sure there is the odd blockbuster but generally he’s third man in and easily beaten by more agile players.

He’s not a patch on Ali or the god that was Solomona. Nor is he as reliable as as Kirmo or Ashurst in their pomp.

What I think it boils down to is that for all his physicality he hasn’t got a rugby brain.

Just what I see and I don’t suppose many will agree, but whatever he is he isn’t our saviour imho.

The description could currently be applied to all our players based on current form. The question as always is this down to them becoming worse players or the coaching they receive does not help get the best out of them. The case of Tanginoa is an example he is a wide running second row like the two examples given the problem is Chester plays him at prop to run down the middle. I don’t remember either of the other two quoted were asked to do this hence they played where they do most damage.

Tanginoa is a second rower, but Mr Chester insists on playing him at Prop he is going to get more tired so more mistakes.Why Mr Chester keeps putting square pegs in round holes I do not knowl Tanginoa should be played in the second row to see the best of him ,Know when or if he moves on you will see him play in second row and think why did he not play like that for us .Coaching is the answer

If I were picking a side from our squad

Walker
Greensmith - with a view to being centre cover next season
Lyne
Tupou
Johnstone (Senior)
Jowitt
Hampshire
Arona
K Wood
Kopczak
Ashurst
Tanginoa
Westwood

Wood
Pitts (Bachelor)
Navarette
Fifita - find a way to fix the issue

Miller just doesn’t fulfil the role at half, a bit of show n go isn’t enough also he’s going to get Ashurst injured with his pet short pass play, it’s time for him to kick his heels and contemplate his form or future!
Jowitt is the best organising and passing half we’ve got which is a sad indictment on our recruitment.
Hampshire should be encouraged to take the line on more but be direct and be given greater responsibility for the kicking game which will force him to work on its development and improve it.

My final major decision would be to put the players through a rigorous fitness regime! Mid season isn’t the right time but it’s got to be done as some players are carrying way too much excess. Set a new standard NOW and insist on it being adhered to next season. The forwards should know their optimum playing weight and sanctions should apply if they go above it.

He isn't a wide running forward. He's a big running forward. A wide running forward needs good hands and that is a problem for him.

Ashurst and Pitts have those spots at the moment. If you drop one of those you improve impact but lose tackle numbers.

I like him a lot and would use him as impact of the bench but if he isn't a shoe in fir second row you might as well play him as a prop.

I've no real problem playing him at second row. We gain a lot. But we lose something too. Which is why I suspect he isn't staying in the one position and probably why he couldn't keep a place in the NRL teams despite his obvious qualities.
He's one of our best runners. But he has flaws too.

I hope you mean Westerman.
And Pitts would be one of my first picks. I might even make him captain.
Miller would still play for me though.

I meant Westerman

Toss up between Pitts and Tanginoa.
I’d have impact off the bench in the form of Navarette and Fifita but I’d start with impact in the form of Tanginoa.

Miller has flattered to deceive for too long, he’s not fulfilling the halfback duties, he’s not an organiser and he’s lost some dynamism from his running game. He doesn’t do anything that Jowitt can’t do just as well but he lacks Jowitts better variety of passes. Jowitt will only get better the longer confidence is shown in him and he’s left in that position whereas Miller has had the benefit of continuous selection and is what he is.

Who says Jowitt will get better in the halves He didn't at fullback

What?? Is that during the long run he had there to prove himself - or was that during the 1 game on/4 games off tactic that we have used with Jowitt for most of his time.

That's still a lot of games.
I hope he develops as a half back but right now he's cover as we can't get anyone else.
Miller just needs a partner.

No we just need a coach who can coach and get the best out of what we have which is considerably better than many previous incumbents enjoyed.
I have stated previously that we have no game plan which would appear to be confirmed by Chester never suggesting that the team had not followed his plan. He has complained that players have not played to the standard expected but to be honest he has not coached to the level we would expect. I guess we will see how we go against Hull but sadly we all know he is going nowhere whilst he has friends in high places who still believe in him.