Henry Boot Construction and Henry Boot Developments are part of the same group but generally only work together on healthcare schemes.

Henry Boot Developments formed a joint venture with Yorkcourt 3 or 4 years ago but only with a view to the Newmarket scheme.

Henry Boot Construction will not be doing any work at Newmarket it will be tendered and more than likely be GMI/Caddick/Stainforth and a couple of others bidding for the work down there.

The other contractor who has been engaged by the PM have stadium experience and are based in Wakefield.

Stadiums are notoriously risky builds and bags of opportunity to lose money on them. From my experience they nearly always lose money for the contractor.

Henry Boots Group and other Contractors with a development armtend not to work together as normal builds are risky are risky so by going to the market a developer spreads the risk they expose themselves to in the wider group.

Ie if it goes wrong both sides of the business don’t take the hit.

If Boots Developments are providing a fixed sum funding. If they are not exposed beyond a fixed sum it may be more attractive to them I guess.

I’ve personally worked on a number of schemes for Henry Boots Developments despite being a direct competitor of Henry Boot Construction.

The other issue is the size of the scheme for Boots Construction it falls below a level of where they aspire to be moving forward and they have secured most of their budgets for 2021.

I’m not saying they defiantly won’t build it but I’d think it is highly unlikely.

The other contractor involved has been working on the stadium scheme in pre construction for some time with the Project Manager.

As mentioned though if the funding is classed as “public funding” then certain rules have to be followed and the scheme would have to be advertised for contractors to bid I don’t believe it has been confirmed in the funding is private or public though at this stage.

On planning permission, I was out on my daily walk on Sunday and walked along peel avenue (swan & signet to durkar road) where I came across a planning application notice for B8 warehousing, that estate/park has been small units and light commercial apart from the highways offices and police forensics office blocks, which are quite large. There has never been a drive to put warehousing on this site and has always been promoted as an office park to us locals. When I got home I checked out the application and was astounded to see that it was for 1 building, some 333,000 sqft which by any standards is massive, totally not in line with the rest of the development. So why isnt this type project being pushed to Newmarket that was set up for exactly this purpose (B8 warehousing) and would go some way to hitting that magic trigger point that was in the original agreement, the building construction costs are estimated as being in the region of £20m.
Surely this kind of development should be pushed to an area set aside for such operations and not dumped on the middle of a nature reserve, the actual site that the building will take up is 14.5 acres

There is a huge amount of groundwork going on, along the Wakefield side of the M62 at Newmarket.
They are certainly preparing to build a couple or three very large units.

Despite going along the M62 to work every day, I only noticed this today (mind you its usually dark when I'm going over there).

You answer your own question when you talk about Peel Avenue.

The owners of that site Peel Holdings are a very aggressive developer based in Manchester.

They are in direct comp with Boots developments to secure anchor tenants to maximise their profits.

The warehouse market is currently booming, with infrastructure in the North improving and land being much cheaper than in the South along with the proposed HS2, we are creating a local “perfect storm” for Warehouse works across the M1/M62 local corridors.

I believe 3 sheds all with secured tenants the largest being an Amazon hub.

I enjoy reading these posts and clearly, there are some very knowledgeable people commenting. However, I honestly believe that as with most developments somewhere down the line that it has already been decided, long before planning, that it's probably a goer. Whether in this case that is so or it's another string them along with affair, none of us mortals knows just yet.

In my limited experience if someone important wants this to happen then it will regardless of the formalities, that person will almost certainly be someone who smells a profit. As they say in every crime series 'follow the money trail'.

Of course, public money is involved here so there is a moral element both in terms of need and financing. However, it will be the profit motive that will drive it on should it happen.

I get the impression this time that there is a deal to be had, how it works and who lines there pockets I don't know, but for some reason, it just feels to me like this one has legs. It appears all the players involved are savvy, it's a fine balance but it seems they all need the co-operation of the others for things to work. The club and by association the Council must hold some valuable cards, if not I can't see any reason why it would have got even this far.

With my Trinity specs off it doesn't look an especially profitable enterprise, not at first glance.

That said, it's something the Council need to address politically and have done for years and it's a fairly easy route to take compared to a new development. For Yorkcourts and co it removes all hurdles that may still exist allows them to do virtually whatever they want at Newmarket and that is where the real money lays, All that for what I suspect to be a very low cost, certainly far far less than the original NM development!. For the club it's basically the only option left, the plans are a shadow of what we should have got but it will allow the club to crawl over the minimum standards line for a SL ground. We deserved far more but at least it gives the club a starting point, it will basically make BV worth developing further in the future. Something that without this kick start we would never have been able to do.

It's still not a done deal but I do have faith in both JM and MC to believe that they won't be screwed, they both seem like men who check the small print. Also without Box no longer in the mix anything and I mean anything suddenly has one hundred times the integrity than it had before.

That's my very un-educated take on the situation.

What about Arnold Clark or OE both are large commercial properties on the same estate.

The stadium as you say quite correctly is simply an “inconvenience” on the Developers part to facilitate the development of NM.

I’m very close to both schemes because of my job and close to the professional teams working on them.

The Club have engaged with some high end quality consultants at I would expect no small cost.

I don’t see any way this proposal will not come to fruition.

That's how I see it. For the developer the BV upgrade is a very cheap and easy get out. My guess is that phase 1, which if I'm honest is the only phase we are going to get out of the NM debacle will come in at anything between 4-6 million at a guess. I suspect the ten-year-old NM development would cost at least 20 million in today's money and perhaps much more. The maths say it all.

The Wakefield public has been robbed but at least if we get this, we have not been robbed blind (though not far off). Anything salvaged from the last twenty years of effort has to be considered a triumph of sorts and some limited form of justice has been achieved.

They’re nowhere near the size of this, Arnold Clark is basically a 400 car space car park and a show room, the staff car park for this proposed warehouse/distribution centre is 360 spaces, OE is a manufacturing site not a warehouse and occupies a site the 1/3rd of this proposal and their building is less than a 1/4 of the sqft of this B8 warehouse

Surprised I didn't bump into you, FT and, believe it or not, I actually looked at the same notice but only because me and the missus were trying to work out what the new building between the Highways Agency and Police forensics building is going to be ??
We've watched it being built over the past 12 months thinking it was going to be the new Land Rover showroom which was allegedly being built along there, but it doesn't look like a showroom to us and the sign adjacent to it now says Highways England, so is it replacing their other building next door which has only been up about 15 years and only houses around a dozen folk at any one time or is it something else ??
Regarding the development you refer to at the other side of the police building, that does look like a huge piece of land and, like you say, one big warehouse on there will look out of place.
Off Topic (even more so), we frequently see Martin Holland down there walking his dog, have you bumped into him yet ?

Peel Holdings, aren’t they the company that built and own the “A J Bell Stadium” over in Salford. I’ve often seen comments by Salford reds fans, that the stadium owners, take all refreshments revenue on match days, I hope Trinity are masters of their own house.

Quote ="FIL"Surprised I didn't bump into you, FT and, believe it or not, I actually looked at the same notice but only because me and the missus were trying to work out what the new building between the Highways Agency and Police forensics building is going to be ?? We've watched it being built over the past 12 months thinking it was going to be the new Land Rover showroom which was allegedly being built along there, but it doesn't look like a showroom to us and the sign adjacent to it now says Highways England, so is it replacing their other building next door which has only been up about 15 years and only houses around a dozen folk at any one time or is it something else ?? '" That’s new expansion north of England Highways control office it was on a sign https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2019/12/1 ... -wakefield Quote ="FIL" Regarding the development you refer to at the other side of the police building, that does look like a huge piece of land and, like you say, one big warehouse on there will look out of place. Off Topic (even more so), we frequently see Martin Holland down there walking his dog, have you bumped into him yet ?'" Nope not bumped in to him, it’s my usual end to my 20 mile cycle ride, don’t usually walk down there but the riverside paths are so muddy

Quote ="FIL"Surprised I didn't bump into you, FT and, believe it or not, I actually looked at the same notice but only because me and the missus were trying to work out what the new building between the Highways Agency and Police forensics building is going to be ?? We've watched it being built over the past 12 months thinking it was going to be the new Land Rover showroom which was allegedly being built along there, but it doesn't look like a showroom to us and the sign adjacent to it now says Highways England, so is it replacing their other building next door which has only been up about 15 years and only houses around a dozen folk at any one time or is it something else ?? '" That’s new expansion north of England Highways control office it was on a sign https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2019/12/1 ... -wakefield Quote ="FIL" Regarding the development you refer to at the other side of the police building, that does look like a huge piece of land and, like you say, one big warehouse on there will look out of place. Off Topic (even more so), we frequently see Martin Holland down there walking his dog, have you bumped into him yet ?'" Nope not bumped in to him, it’s my usual end to my 20 mile cycle ride, don’t usually walk down there but the riverside paths are so muddy

Cheers FT...PM sent so as not to hijack the thread anymore.

Peel’s head office is in a rather impressive Bubble above the Trafford Centre, it’s like something a James Bond villain would have as their lair, and they basically own everything as far as the eye can see from there, including the Trafford Centre and all hotels etc around it.

Peel nor Henry Boot will have any ownership of the Trinity Stadium though so fear not.

Completely different kind of development. We are having a stand built for us to offset the NM scheme. The AJ Bell is a stadium built and owned by Peel and then basically rented to Sale and Salford.

Our partner as far as I can tell us WMDC. The developers input is to fund and build the east stand and north stand and thus discharge themselves from their NM obligation.

Today’s latest document, this one from *West Yorkshire Ecology” This time it’s Birds & Bats. Dear Michael We have reviewed the ecological assessment in the Environmental Impact Assessment and are satisfied that the impact on wildlife will be minimal. Please could the measures set out for bird and bat mitigation be covered by condition. Regards Robert -----Original Message----- From: dmsplanning@wakefield.gov.uk [mailto Sent: 22 December 2020 08:16 To: Masheder, Robert <Robert.Masheder@wyjs.org.uk> Subject: Wakefield Planning Consultation Ref 20/02587/FUL Please respond to the attached document quoting the planning application number 20/02587/FUL ________________________

Today’s latest document, this one from *West Yorkshire Ecology” This time it’s Birds & Bats. Dear Michael We have reviewed the ecological assessment in the Environmental Impact Assessment and are satisfied that the impact on wildlife will be minimal. Please could the measures set out for bird and bat mitigation be covered by condition. Regards Robert -----Original Message----- From: dmsplanning@wakefield.gov.uk [mailto Sent: 22 December 2020 08:16 To: Masheder, Robert <Robert.Masheder@wyjs.org.uk> Subject: Wakefield Planning Consultation Ref 20/02587/FUL Please respond to the attached document quoting the planning application number 20/02587/FUL ________________________

Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Today’s latest document, this one from *West Yorkshire Ecology” This time it’s Birds & Bats. Dear Michael We have reviewed the ecological assessment in the Environmental Impact Assessment and are satisfied that the impact on wildlife will be minimal. Please could the measures set out for bird and bat mitigation be covered by condition. Regards Robert -----Original Message----- From: dmsplanning@wakefield.gov.uk [mailto:dmsplanning@wakefield.gov.uk Sent: 22 December 2020 08:16 To: Masheder, Robert <Robert.Masheder@wyjs.org.uk> Subject: Wakefield Planning Consultation Ref 20/02587/FUL Please respond to the attached document quoting the planning application number 20/02587/FUL ________________________'" Doesn't matter so long as every box gets ticked.

Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Today’s latest document, this one from *West Yorkshire Ecology” This time it’s Birds & Bats. Dear Michael We have reviewed the ecological assessment in the Environmental Impact Assessment and are satisfied that the impact on wildlife will be minimal. Please could the measures set out for bird and bat mitigation be covered by condition. Regards Robert -----Original Message----- From: dmsplanning@wakefield.gov.uk [mailto:dmsplanning@wakefield.gov.uk Sent: 22 December 2020 08:16 To: Masheder, Robert <Robert.Masheder@wyjs.org.uk> Subject: Wakefield Planning Consultation Ref 20/02587/FUL Please respond to the attached document quoting the planning application number 20/02587/FUL ________________________'" Doesn't matter so long as every box gets ticked.

Don't mention that word...

Wonder where the concern for birds and bats were when that fecking fridge was put up.

There was, Otters on this occasion, how an Otter could be anywhere near there is beyond me but apparently, droppings were found.

Yes plenty of human excrement generated around that place over the years.

It is quite near to Cas, so you'd expect to find some when the tribe go into hunter-gatherer mode and leave the swamp in search of prey.

Determination deadline 17th March. As long as it's not deferred we'll get to know where we are in about a month.

Is that a joke regarding otters?