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| Quote ="Willzay"Don't know why people are slagging off IA, TRB, Sandal Cat etc. They've done more for. the club than I and others probably ever will.
I'm just as frustrated about the ground situation both with BV and NM but I'm angry at the council and the goddamn Labour Party more than anything else. I suggest people direct the anger at them and Yorkcout, what a bunch of slimely sneaky twonks.'"
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Clearly everything to the 'brains trust' who seem to be dominating this thread Smew! I just can't believe the amount of total horse crap being posted on this board by a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors.
When they are struggling with the concept of a 'deal' taking at least two parties to conclude, and in this case there are at least 6 separate parties involved, then you know you are communicating with a bunch of people who don't actually have the first clue about how these things work.
That said, if you could let me have your contact details, I think I might organise a late night poker session... I reckon TRB, Sandal Cat and I could sweep up and pay ourselves back some of our lost time we have spent on the whole stadiums affair.
I don't think any of them should bother buying a season ticket to be honest... while things are extremely difficult at the club and moral is at an all time low amongst supporters, you lot still don't actually deserve to support or watch WTW,
I am done here, because there appears to a whole load of local villages missing idiots!'"
Hard to disagree with the general sentiment of your post. But:
The thing is, if you don't say anything it's not hard to expect the vacuum to be filled in this way by frustrated people. All it takes is a statement with an apology for the delay in things getting sorted, it's out of our control blah blah blah and then there is at least a pretence that the fans are important in all this. Without it then Carter just creates an unnecessary problem. If he has said something then I have missed it and take it all back
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Wow what a now typically pompous reply by one of the self-appointed crusaders for Wakefield. You should know all about spouting horse crap on here, take a look at most of your previous posts. Have you actually got anything right yet? You do realise it is not just the Belle Vue decision that people are cheesed off about don't you, but the whole 'we know something you don't' garbage that eminates from you and the club (and has done for years) reagrding Newmarket as well. Years of lies and bullcrap (no more so than recently) and people have had enough. Actually you probably don't realise and that is why you are now just as much part of the problem as anyone else, blinded by everybody elses perceived failings without being able to look at the bigger picture. Nobody asked you to get involved, if you don't like it you know where the door is as it seems it is nowgetting to you. Stick to watching the Rhinos and go and spend some time with your family, nobody will blame you you've tried your best. If that means the club dies so be it, your conscience is clean and leave usn keyboard warriors or village idiots to cry in our beer. But quit having a pop at people who give a damn just because it doesn't suit your agenda. Rant over.'"
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| Quote ="Willzay"Don't know why people are slagging off IA, TRB, Sandal Cat etc. They've done more for. the club than I and others probably ever will.
I'm just as frustrated about the ground situation both with BV and NM but I'm angry at the council and the goddamn Labour Party more than anything else. I suggest people direct the anger at them and Yorkcout, what a bunch of slimely sneaky twonks.'"
I agree.
And can I just congratulate you on the word 'twonk'.
Top effort.
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| Quote ="factsareus"The ground position sold by Ted had the convenient on it where we could stay and play there until such time as a new stadium replaced it .
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Sorry to pick you up on this but there was no covenant placed on Belle Vue when it was sold by Ted.
When the planning consent was granted to develop housing on Belle Vue there was a condition placed that stated that Belle Vue could not be demolished and developed until an alternative playing field was identified in the district. When the planning consent expired there was an application to extend the consent and when this was granted a new condition (Condition 3icon_cool.gif was inserted to remove the previous condition that stated that Belle Vue could not be demolished or redeveloped until the stadium at Newmarket was built. As much as I'm no fan of the Council I believe the credit for Condition 38 lies with them.
Condition 38 still applies and can only be removed by another application which we would object to, as we did successfully before. If the Club has left Belle Vue we would still object as Newmarket has not been built and we ultimately would be looking for it to be built to facilitate a return to Wakefield.
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| Bit of an old chestnut I know, but has anyone on here worked out yet why an old former council rubbish tip fifteen miles down the road was considered "Iconic" two years ago by the RL, yet Belle Vue (God bless her) isn't.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"
Condition 38 still applies and can only be removed by another application which we would object to, as we did successfully before. If the Club has left Belle Vue we would still object as Newmarket has not been built and we ultimately would be looking for it to be built to facilitate a return to Wakefield.'"
Well, that's good to know, I think most people (including me!) thought that might have gone by the wayside on us leaving Belle Vue, there's hope yet then!
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| Am off to watch Wakey play at Belle Vue tomorrow, anyone coming, if so i will see you there
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| Not sure when I was being pompous - I do try and communicate what and when I can, as do my colleagues who give of a significant chunk of their time for nothing to try and drive the stadium issue forward.
The current issue is very much about the whereabouts of the club over the next few years, not about the long term, although that is clearly linked, and it is so very complicated and so very difficult to sort. MC would have loved to have announced by now what the outcome was, but whilst it is not resolved that is impossible. Something will have to give very soon, and then we will all know what we are dealing with and where we will be headed.
I can tell you no more as there is no more to tell as yet!
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| Quote ="TRB"Not sure when I was being pompous - I do try and communicate what and when I can, as do my colleagues who give of a significant chunk of their time for nothing to try and drive the stadium issue forward.
The current issue is very much about the whereabouts of the club over the next few years, not about the long term, although that is clearly linked, and it is so very complicated and so very difficult to sort. MC would have loved to have announced by now what the outcome was, but whilst it is not resolved that is impossible. Something will have to give very soon, and then we will all know what we are dealing with and where we will be headed.
I can tell you no more as there is no more to tell as yet!'"
Any fan in their right mind on this forum should have nothing but praise for all your and your colleagues efforts in the clubs cause. Let's hope we get some good news on our clubs future home soon
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| Think you agreed with me in the first part of your post sandal cat ....in the first paragraph.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Bit of an old chestnut I know, but has anyone on here worked out yet why an old former council rubbish tip fifteen miles down the road was considered "Iconic" two years ago by the RL, yet Belle Vue (God bless her) isn't.'"
Wonder who plays there?
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| Whatever transpired from the derisory offer from Yorkcourt to buy Belle Vue? Did the BOI tell them to jog on?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Whatever transpired from the derisory offer from Yorkcourt to buy Belle Vue? Did the BOI tell them to jog on?'"
As the whole thing is still fluid I will not comment on one specific aspect.
I do note that MC has tweeted this morning that regardless of the outcome this season and the negotiations, there will be 'one last game' at BV. What that is, or when, we will have to wait, but there will be a celebratory event - if it comes to it.
I hope that helps placate some - it's not ideal, but it helps.
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| Quote ="factsareus"Think you agreed with me in the first part of your post sandal cat ....in the first paragraph.'"
I guess I did but was pointing out that it was not a covenant but a planning condition. They are different and a covenant placed on the title is more difficult to remove than a planning condition.
As I have said even if we leave Belle Vue we have a degree of protection from Condition 38 but more importantly the condition may assist the Club in its negotiations to secure a sensible deal to remain at Belle Vue which I hope they are successful.
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| I can see why people are getting frustrated, angry even but come on people you are venting at the wrong people here! Unpaid volunteers who are doing everything they can don't deserve abuse.
Simple as that.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"I can see why people are getting frustrated, angry even but come on people you are venting at the wrong people here! Unpaid volunteers who are doing everything they can don't deserve abuse.
Simple as that.'"
Spot on Wildthing,I've said it before and I'll say it again,if all I'd to worry about was where Trin were playing next season,I'd be a happy man.
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| Quote ="TRB"As the whole thing is still fluid I will not comment on one specific aspect.
I do note that MC has tweeted this morning that regardless of the outcome this season and the negotiations, there will be 'one last game' at BV. What that is, or when, we will have to wait, but there will be a celebratory event - if it comes to it.
I hope that helps placate some - it's not ideal, but it helps.'"
Maybe he should of said that yesterday instead of throwing one of his hissy fits!
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| Quote ="TRB"As the whole thing is still fluid I will not comment on one specific aspect.
I do note that MC has tweeted this morning that regardless of the outcome this season and the negotiations, there will be 'one last game' at BV. What that is, or when, we will have to wait, but there will be a celebratory event - if it comes to it.
I hope that helps placate some - it's not ideal, but it helps.'"
Its pretty much what was needed. If it happens i hope it's a fitting tribute and a celebration of the history of Wakefield Trinity at Belle Vue.
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| That's good news and how it should be.
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| In reply to deeHell:
Maybe, but then again, maybe some aren't as understanding of the very stressful situation the club are in. We have few friends out there and are dealing with businesses who are looking after their own interests and not those of a RL club, but our corner is being fought on our behalf whilst those behind him snipe and moan. It works both ways and whilst I appreciate that anyone on here is here because they love the Trin and want only the best for the club, I can't help but feel that much of the energy is misdirected and would be better directed towards supporting the club in what will go down as one of the most difficult situations it has ever faced.
I don't expect to alter opinions, but please just stop and think for one moment. Thank you.
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| MC needs to realise that Dewsbury is not an option for most suporters unless there are irreversible plans for a new stadium in Wakefield and a definite date by which we csn move
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| MC needs to realise that Dewsbury is not an option for most suporters unless there are irreversible plans for a new stadium in Wakefield and a definite date by which we can move in. At this late stage i cannot see those assurances forthcoming so for me a deal has to be for to stay at Belle Vue and if that cannot be done its a not so slow death for this once great club.
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| There is no such thing as not an option.
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| His tweet means nothing it is just a platitude to buy time. If it was anything else why leave it until now. I wonder if it was his idea or something suggested to him because it does not match his usual format.
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