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| Quote ="kinleycat"You talk some right crap at times, but I can't do anything but wholeheartedly 100% take my hat off to you for that post.
Well said.'"
Yet still a huge amount less than you manage, other than that thanks for the support
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"Agar'"
Deary me, take the weight off your feet and give your brain a rest.
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| Granted I’ve not been to either friendly so far, however of the games I’ve seen Morton play, I’ve see no justification for singling him out any more so than any other player with respect to errors. He had one major brain fart in the Cup last season, but other than that he has coped reasonably well in a position that for the past number of years has been notoriously over exposed at Wakefield.
Every single winger has come in for criticism, but time after time they are left with trying to deal with a three on one situation and so have to make an immediate decision on what to do, unfortunately every single choice will result in a score against competent opposition. Scoring opportunities were minimal with the reluctance (or inability post Brough) to spread the ball out wide so there was little chance to shine at the other end of the field, but in my mind Morton has always come across as a good finisher when given an opening.
He may need some time on loan/dual registration to rebuild his confidence or focus on areas of his game where he needs to work on, but should I see his name on the team sheet for Trinity, I certainly wouldn’t dread seeing it, no more so than any other player. Perhaps that incident in the cup is clouding people’s judgements?
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| can i say "Ali lauitiiti", because no doubt people will be on his back for not playing 80minutes and not creating a try every time he gets the ball.......
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| It is not making a scapegoat of a particular player if one gives an honest appraisal of his abilities.
That does change if one continually highlights their mistakes and deficiences whilst at the same time ignoring other players not performing well.
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| Agar for me, his honeymoon period wont even merit the cutting of the cake.
If we get off to a bad start, i can only imagine this forum will soon mirror the Hull FC one.
There's plenty sharpening the knife already, and James Elston could well cop it too.
Sad but true, lets just hope we get off to a flyer, otherwise it'll be narnty narn beargers at farv o clock (thats 99 burgers at five o clock in Hullish!!) on here.
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| Quote ="jacques"It is not making a scapegoat of a particular player if one gives an honest appraisal of his abilities.
That does change if one continually highlights their mistakes and deficiences whilst at the same time ignoring other players not performing well.'"
That is as good an explanation of a scapegoat I've seen so far.
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| Morton does need to improve he owes us one after that braindead error in the cup against Cas. The shudds signings I will still say they are pointless ones. As for scapegoat i think mathers is in the running ; i think Mathers is a good player and he had a decent game against Leeds boxing day. But I have the feeling even in his good games people will say he was poor.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Morton does need to improve he owes us one after that braindead error in the cup against Cas. The shudds signings I will still say they are pointless ones. As for scapegoat i think mathers is in the running ; i think Mathers is a good player and he had a decent game against Leeds boxing day. But I have the feeling even in his good games people will say he was poor.'"
The irony meter is on overload, but yes Mathers may well be one.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I think the likes of Tommy Lee and Julian O'Neill are the only true "Scapegoats" we've had in recent years. Morton is better described as a poor player with similar issues to Mark Field, ie not ready for regular 1st team Rugby but keeps getting put in the team by the coach. Don't know if Morton will ever be ready. Like Field, the pressure he's bearing is sending him backwards.
I personally dread to see his name on the team sheet.'"
Brad Drew went from hero (in the HKR game) to scapegoat a couple of seasons ago !
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| Quote ="vastman"icon_lol.gif The irony meter is on overload, but yes Mathers may well be one.'"
You're not kidding!
If ever there was someone to comment on a scapegoat thread........
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| I think Mathers is a strong contender - he's an easy target, being both intermittently dodgy and having a bit of attitude.
I also think Agar is in the 'at-risk' category - most people seemed to have reached an uneasy peace with his appointment, but if we get off to a bad start in what is a run of winnable games, that will quickly change.
On a more positive note - who will become our folk hero in 2012, to replace the talismanic Les Barbu? I've got a good feeling that Lauatiti could become a fan favourite, and Kyle Amor was certainly heading that way at the end of last season.
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| I wish to retract my original statement of scapegoat nominee, as the nomination has now been endorsed by the forum numpty. I would also state for the record, I believe that as the same person endorsed Messrs Raleigh, Kirmond and Morton they should also be withdrawn from the running for the award of RLFANS WAKEFIELD TRINITY WILDCATS SCAPEGOAT OF THE YEAR 2012.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Granted I’ve not been to either friendly so far, however of the games I’ve seen Morton play, I’ve see no justification for singling him out any more so than any other player with respect to errors. He had one major brain fart in the Cup last season, but other than that he has coped reasonably well in a position that for the past number of years has been notoriously over exposed at Wakefield.
Every single winger has come in for criticism, but time after time they are left with trying to deal with a three on one situation and so have to make an immediate decision on what to do, unfortunately every single choice will result in a score against competent opposition. Scoring opportunities were minimal with the reluctance (or inability post Brough) to spread the ball out wide so there was little chance to shine at the other end of the field, but in my mind Morton has always come across as a good finisher when given an opening.
He may need some time on loan/dual registration to rebuild his confidence or focus on areas of his game where he needs to work on, but should I see his name on the team sheet for Trinity, I certainly wouldn’t dread seeing it, no more so than any other player. Perhaps that incident in the cup is clouding people’s judgements?'"
Tend to agree with you on this. In the friendlies so far this year he has been one of our weaker links, his catching has gone right out of the window (has it had with all the team on boxing day, and I think this looks a big problem already this term). Dual reg would do him more good than harm.
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| For my money the expectation levels are way too high I like all supporters want to see us in the play offs and have a good cup run. I will be pleasantly surprised if we finish higher than 10th and make the last 8 in the cup this wont be good enough for some so the boo boys will want victims
I see Mathers being the number one target the fact that he was good enough to play and win trophies with Warrington,Wigan and Leeds wont matter to the average Wakefield fan
The stick young Morton gets makes me sick hes a young kid who has never let us down he gives 100% the fact that he maybe lacks the pace at this level is a another matter I will never have a go at a player who gives is all for the club Tommy Lee last season comes to mind.
Agar will no doubt be a target and I also see Tim Smith being a target if things don’t go well early doors.
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| Dale Morton never let us down ???
What about handing Cas the cup tie
Stupid action With 2seconds left, with Cas on the ropes
Morton lacks awareness of the game
Positional play rubbish
Not big enough or fast enough
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"
The stick young Morton gets makes me sick hes a young kid who has never let us down he gives 100% '"
The terraces are covered with many fans who, given the chance to wear a Wakey shirt, would give 100%. I wouldn't want to pay money to watch them flap about getting steamrollered for 80 minutes either!
It's not Morton's fault, it's Kear's/Agar's for picking him.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"For my money the expectation levels are way too high I like all supporters want to see us in the play offs and have a good cup run. I will be pleasantly surprised if we finish higher than 10th and make the last 8 in the cup this wont be good enough for some so the boo boys will want victims
I see Mathers being the number one target the fact that he was good enough to play and win trophies with Warrington,Wigan and Leeds wont matter to the average Wakefield fan
The stick young Morton gets makes me sick hes a young kid who has never let us down he gives 100% the fact that he maybe lacks the pace at this level is a another matter I will never have a go at a player who gives is all for the club Tommy Lee last season comes to mind.
Agar will no doubt be a target and I also see Tim Smith being a target if things don’t go well early doors.'"
Am I reading this correctly ?? You are seriously saying Tommy Lee gave his all for WTW ?? If that's what your saying then you must have been watching with beer goggles on, I'd take a look at the highlights of most of the games and I think you would change your opinion. He's even had a laugh on twitter about wakey fans paying his wages.
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| Quote ="Micka"Dale Morton never let us down ???
What about handing Cas the cup tie
Stupid action With 2seconds left, with Cas on the ropes
Morton lacks awareness of the game
Positional play rubbish
Not big enough or fast enough'"
bloody hell is he the only player that ever gave a pen away we lost when we were 10 points up get over it
I am not saying he is fast enough big enough etc as for it being Kears fault for picking him who the hell was there to pick last season in his place????
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| Quote ="Micka"Dale Morton never let us down ???
What about handing Cas the cup tie
Stupid action With 2seconds left, with Cas on the ropes
Morton lacks awareness of the game
Positional play rubbish
Not big enough or fast enough'"
Christ, it's not like we would've made it to wembley!
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| Quote ="Trinitythefuture"Am I reading this correctly ?? You are seriously saying Tommy Lee gave his all for WTW ?? If that's what your saying then you must have been watching with beer goggles on, I'd take a look at the highlights of most of the games and I think you would change your opinion. He's even had a laugh on twitter about wakey fans paying his wages.'"
TBF he was playing out of position all year, and whose fault is that? We never really got to see what he could do at hooker apart from the Leeds friendly.
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| Quote ="Willzay"TBF he was playing out of position all year, and whose fault is that? We never really got to see what he could do at hooker apart from the Leeds friendly.'"
Yeah but he couldn't pass the ball, slow and poor distribution. Aren't these skills supposed to be a big part of a hookers game ?
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| Quote ="Micka"Dale Morton never let us down ???
What about handing Cas the cup tie
Stupid action With 2seconds left, with Cas on the ropes
Morton lacks awareness of the game
Positional play rubbish
Not big enough or fast enough'"
Brilliant example of the scapegoaters mentality.
Yes he did all that yet you fail to mention that most of last years squad managed to be just as bad or worse one way or another.
Morrison last year despite being a fine player a good bloke managed one of the most epically childish and petulant displays I've ever seen against Doncaster last year. With a bit more luck Donny could have taken that game away from us before Morro had finished playing silly buggers (for which he was subbed). That would have made Mortons cock up seem trivial by comparison. Should we have judged Morrison on that one game had the worst happened - lucky for him that is a question that will never need answering.
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| Tim Smith, not seen him play yet but he'll be gash, no doubt about it my minds made up.
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