He was eventually released by wakey not sure who he's signed for.

Yes sorry it was August we agreed a mutual release with him, not offloaded him.

Comon lads what i see is if some on here are talking about our fullbacks ones grix and ones max, to me thats a bit pathetic, its grix and jowitt as far as im concerened ,ones an experianced player prone to the odd mistake the others a young guy with potential ,a good support player but he cant tackle ,one on one i aint seen him make one ,and when tries are scored out wide he always arrives late ,alright the kid did well in a pretty hopeless team last season but way some speak on here hes an international ,now johnstons another story

You are correct, i also read the same.

You're so kind

Bit harsh on Jowitt but beneath the OTT stuff you're about right. His one on one was poor and unless he improves it he can never be the superstar some on here have him pegged as. Sorry if this offends some but tryscorer is right he must master it.

I'm assuming you rate Joihnstone?

If so you are again correct. I find this whole Jowitt - Johnstone thing really perverse and this attempt by some to paint him as the player with more potential in a harder position strange - sorry but no.

As far as I'm concerned only injury or self destruction can stop TJ going all the way. What few faults he had in his game he's corrected. There is no player on earth who won't make mistakes and won't miss chances but he's pretty much down to the minimum - at 21!

Why when for once in our fairly miserable existence we have a real star in our midst are some people try to second peg him to a player who is not as far advanced. B*llocks to the so called difficulty of the position you have either mastered it or you haven't and only one of the above has done that. Tom is the star end of and I know which one I think is the most important.

On boxing day TJ scored a try his second one that he didn't need to score - he did it because he can and because he wants to - he's a showman and he's hungry for it and that is a rarity at BV. I'm not knocking Max he's a joy to watch and maybe one day hell be up there but lets get our priorities right, in TJ we have a match winner for the highest occasions.

I still wonder if Max would make a real go of being a 6? He can pass, reads the game well and seems to have at least a short kicking game. Hmmm?

I'm just happy that we seem to have a functional academy that has the potential to nurture great young talents. If these young talents need some tutalage from a more mature player for a couple of seasons then i see nothing wrong with that. Jowitt has the potential to improve and grow his game, some time watching Grix and training with him can only help develop his game.

Possible I'm a great believer that players as they get older can often find themselves better suited to other positions. I still think he has potential but he's not yet don a TJ imho.

I think part of Jowitts problem is not his fault. He came into the team at a perfect moment. The team played brilliantly for a fair while which would make almost anyone look good and due to that a certain over expectation was put on the lad. He faded as the team faded and it showed he was still very much a rookie all be it a good one.

He's actually now where you'd expect him to be, a foot in the door but some work to do. It's not a criticism and I sincerely hope we stick with him but you can see why we got Grix as an alternative in the short term.

Well that's annoying I just wrote out a nice response with my thoughts and it got wiped.

So In really short.

Agree with try scorer and vastman.

Johnstone has ironed out those defensive issues of 2015 over this year and clearly worked hard. He is a winger who has it all.

Jowitt has similar potential and will need to put in that hard work if he's to become a full back with it all. He's got some good link up play and is great under the high ball but grix has areas of his game that no doubt max could benefit from.

I'm just excited about the talent we have. Dare I say we are have the best young talent in super league atm. It's imperative we look after and develop them.

Crowther looks stronger and impressed me at loose on Boxing Day. Another who looks to be putting his all into making himself into the best player he can be.

Keep these together and in 2 years we could be looking at possibly the best homegrown players to come through together in SL for years

As said Jowitt will learn from Grix and I see Grix starting the season at full back initially for his defensive strengths and leadership skills. www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/sport ... -1-8309907 Jowitt faded last season as I believe he was playing with a shoulder injury which required surgery recently didn't it unless I've confused him with another promising young player? Think it's unnecessary to compare two promising players in TJ and MJ. Thought Crowther looked really solid against Leeds and think he'll definitely have a bigger part to play next season at second row. Batchelor is another promising player and with Brad Moules there is some real promising young talent coming through which is great to see. Up the Trin for 2017!

As said Jowitt will learn from Grix and I see Grix starting the season at full back initially for his defensive strengths and leadership skills. www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/sport ... -1-8309907 Jowitt faded last season as I believe he was playing with a shoulder injury which required surgery recently didn't it unless I've confused him with another promising young player? Think it's unnecessary to compare two promising players in TJ and MJ. Thought Crowther looked really solid against Leeds and think he'll definitely have a bigger part to play next season at second row. Batchelor is another promising player and with Brad Moules there is some real promising young talent coming through which is great to see. Up the Trin for 2017!

Totally agree with not comparing Tom and Max in their progress , both different positions different ages and I believe will be future stars in their respective positions. Max as come on leaps and bounds since being thrown into the FB position and let's not forget we struggled to cover it before. I said what seems ages ago that we need to get these lads in. They can only get stronger with games. One last thing, competition can only be a good thing it just drives you harder if you don't believe me ask Jordan when you see him.

For me it's a case of credit where it's due and for me TJ has more or less made it obvious future hurdles aside MJ not quite so much for me.

Comparing is pointless for now the history books will sort that out hopefully later much later

The biggest attribute Max has brought into the team is his ability and confidence under the high ball. Long time since we've had a guy at the back we can rely on.

Definitely his main strength at the moment,I've no doubt the others will follow.

I hope Grix can learn from him in this regard.

I see Max Jowitt making a first class full back - he's almost there now. TJ is there already, in his position and I see no reason why the others in this crop of youngsters can't make it. They all look the part and I've said before, I have never seen such a talented group of youngsters all coming through at more or less the same time - so 1873 does work!

so if its working , have Pinder and Summers signed or gone the same way as Dagger and Oats

Dagger and Oats would've been in the squad if they'd stayed but money and influence dictates otherwise. I'm sure one of them will get a run out in the Championship next season, the other at Wolves only time will tell,Pinder & Summers I can't comment at this moment in time.

Dagger and oaks were given the biggest offers this club has ever made to scholarship kids. they decided their future lay elsewhere. Absolutely their prerogative. Think the last feedback I got, was they wanted to be at clubs with less threat of relegation.........

Pinder and summers were both made decent offers. One of them went elsewhere for 500 quid more. I appreciate that money talks for some, but I also want kids who actually want to stay in our environment. Academy costs 240k a year. Club 1873 currently contributes 36k of that.

Thank god for that

I thought I'd be on here all day trying to explain

oh, happy new year to you and family

thanks for the reply . are there plans to merge the acadamy with Cas

No

Thank Christ for that, Happy new year.