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| Quote ="Gahan"So what happens to the 137 yr old history, is that a former club now
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We were discussing this in the pub tonight. Basically Glover owns the name and the heritage and little else. Does Sheffield's Cup win in 1998 still belong to the new Eagles club or the Huddersfield club?
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"We were discussing this in the pub tonight. Basically Glover owns the name and the heritage and little else. Does Sheffield's Cup win in 1998 still belong to the new Eagles club or the Huddersfield club?'"
Neither.... Kear owns it and wants to bring all the players back to Wakefield next season to remember it.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"We were discussing this in the pub tonight. Basically Glover owns the name and the heritage and little else. Does Sheffield's Cup win in 1998 still belong to the new Eagles club or the Huddersfield club?'"
The original Huddersfield club no longer exists. It was dissolved and replaced by the merged entity even though they lost any new merged name not long after
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| We've never been liquidated, there is an uninterrupted history stretching all the way back to our birth in 1873
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| Quote ="Gahan"Hardly trolling, if its a new business then does the history still count?
Like debating who is the oldest RL club, most clubs have a chink somewhere along their entire history.
I thought it was a valid point for Vastman to answer'"
Happy to old boy.
We are still Wakefield Trinity all be it version 4 as far as I recall. As indeed are Bradford who are at least on version 2 as I believe are Leeds, HKR and Wigan to name but a few.
You were Huddersfield RLFC you are now Huddersfield and SHEFFIELD Giants. The clue is in BOLD. There can be no argument that in every respect you are a new club, if you don't want to be and wish to revert give the million pounds back. Same applies to Hull just to give some balance.
I really think you are digging a whole for yourself here.
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| Quote ="tamargrace"cos we havn't got ted now m8!
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Wouldn't disagree on purely financial terms but it's hardly something to gloat or laugh about is it. A broken club, a broken man in Ted (yes amazing he's a human being), broken team, broken careers, unpaid bills and very nearly broken hearts on here. Yes Glover has done a great job since taking over but a lot of people paid a high price to give him that chance - not his fault obviously.
Think on.
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| Quote ="vastman"Happy to old boy.
We are still Wakefield Trinity all be it version 4 as far as I recall. As indeed are Bradford who are at least on version 2 as I believe are Leeds, HKR and Wigan to name but a few.
You were Huddersfield RLFC you are now Huddersfield and SHEFFIELD Giants. The clue is in BOLD. There can be no argument that in every respect you are a new club, if you don't want to be and wish to revert give the million pounds back. Same applies to Hull just to give some balance.
I really think you are digging a whole for yourself here.'"
Unsurprisingly, Gahan is choosing not to exercise his right to reply on this one.
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| mmmm we paid off sheffields debts £565,000 never got the balance of the money for the Keith Senior transfer £180,000, had to hire Brammall Lane to play in Sheffield and when we still got relegated had to give Martin Gleeson to Saints for nowt market value at the time £150,000 at least, Chris Bridge to Bradford market value at least £50,000 etc etc.... so don't go saying how we gained from this.... the RFL didn't want Sheffield to be seen to be going bust... I woulda merged with Gateshead a lá Hull every time it was a far better deal than we got..... We didn't need Sheffield the RFL dangled a carrot and we took it... we shoulda gone down and come straight back up as we did later... but don't hit us about Ken D when you now have Glover 'the saviour' because we have already been there and like all clubs with these guys Davey, Lenagan, Moran, Hetherington Alf Davies etc etc Hull with Pearson eventually someone will have to step in.....
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"mmmm we paid off sheffields debts £565,000 never got the balance of the money for the Keith Senior transfer £180,000, had to hire Brammall Lane to play in Sheffield and when we still got relegated had to give Martin Gleeson to Saints for nowt market value at the time £150,000 at least, Chris Bridge to Bradford market value at least £50,000 etc etc.... so don't go saying how we gained from this.... the RFL didn't want Sheffield to be seen to be going bust... I woulda merged with Gateshead a lá Hull every time it was a far better deal than we got..... We didn't need Sheffield the RFL dangled a carrot and we took it... we shoulda gone down and come straight back up as we did later... but don't hit us about Ken D when you now have Glover 'the saviour' because we have already been there and like all clubs with these guys Davey, Lenagan, Moran, Hetherington Alf Davies etc etc Hull with Pearson eventually someone will have to step in.....'"
All that may be true but you are still Huddersfield and Sheffield Giants and have little to do with the old Fartown based Huddersfield RLFC.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"mmmm we paid off sheffields debts £565,000 never got the balance of the money for the Keith Senior transfer £180,000, had to hire Brammall Lane to play in Sheffield and when we still got relegated had to give Martin Gleeson to Saints for nowt market value at the time £150,000 at least, Chris Bridge to Bradford market value at least £50,000 etc etc.... so don't go saying how we gained from this.... the RFL didn't want Sheffield to be seen to be going bust... I woulda merged with Gateshead a lá Hull every time it was a far better deal than we got..... We didn't need Sheffield the RFL dangled a carrot and we took it... we shoulda gone down and come straight back up as we did later... but don't hit us about Ken D when you now have Glover 'the saviour' because we have already been there and like all clubs with these guys Davey, Lenagan, Moran, Hetherington Alf Davies etc etc Hull with Pearson eventually someone will have to step in.....'"
it's exactly this sort of post that wazzes me off with the fart owners - in hindsight, what you are saying is that the support and process by which you were meant to strengthen wasn't neccessarily a good thing or something that you wanted to do -hmmmm, wait a minute - maybe that's what wildcat supporters are feeling about the last 12 months. Come back in 3 years and maybe we'll tell you how we feel about the whole thing in hindsight. In the meantime just accept that every club has it's ups and downs - and when you go on the attack with us we have a legitimate and needful excuse to remind you of your own chequered and(in the case of Sheffield) shameful history
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| haha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague you promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton ! but i bet i will still get p*****d wet through again next year if it rains.... at the shed that is called Belle Vue.... having been to the Shay recently..thats up to standard... so how 'you are superleague ' is a combination of luck and lack of bottle by the RFL.... to promote the side with the ground.....
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"haha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague you promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton ! but i bet i will still get p*****d wet through again next year if it rains.... at the shed that is called Belle Vue.... having been to the Shay recently..thats up to standard... so how 'you are superleague ' is a combination of luck and lack of bottle by the RFL.... to promote the side with the ground.....'"
Let it go little fella, let it go
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"haha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague you promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton ! but i bet i will still get p*****d wet through again next year if it rains.... =#FF0000at the shed that is called Belle Vue.... having been to the Shay recently..thats up to standard... so how 'you are superleague ' is a combination of luck and lack of bottle by the RFL.... to promote the side with the ground.....'"
It is not a shed. It can't be a shed because it doesn't have a roof. This is good because I have always thought it better to go in somewhere which is wet than somewhere that is dry.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"haha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague you promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton ! but i bet i will still get p*****d wet through again next year if it rains.... at the shed that is called Belle Vue.... having been to the Shay recently..thats up to standard... so how 'you are superleague ' is a combination of luck and lack of bottle by the RFL.... to promote the side with the ground.....'"
Just remind me again, who owns the ground where you are sometimes allowed to play, provided nothing else is going on.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"haha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague you promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton ! but i bet i will still get p*****d wet through again next year if it rains.... at the shed that is called Belle Vue.... having been to the Shay recently..thats up to standard... so how 'you are superleague ' is a combination of luck and lack of bottle by the RFL.... to promote the side with the ground.....'"
Hope you have the grace next season to come back and say sorry 'I got it wrong'.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Just remind me again, who owns the ground where you are sometimes allowed to play, provided nothing else is going on.'"
Davey owns most of it, I believe. Certainly more of it than Glover owns of ours, or will own of our future ground. Dodgy argument, this one.
Here's a winner, though: Who won the last game between Wakey and Huddersfield?
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"haha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague you promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton ! but i bet i will still get p*****d wet through again next year if it rains.... at the shed that is called Belle Vue.... having been to the Shay recently..thats up to standard... so how 'you are superleague ' is a combination of luck and lack of bottle by the RFL.... to promote the side with the ground.....'" wow you've just shocked me there thought you was going tell us something new.
Fartown are they in Super league
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and I fair bet when you first sung Fartown Fartown Fartown you hadn't a clue what you was singing run along sonny
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| Just passing through, but one little snippet not a lot of people realise.
The company currently called "Huddersfield Giants Ltd", that operates the Giants franchise? It is actually the former Sheffield Eagles Ltd. Not the former Huddersfield club. It changed its name on 23/12/1999. So Huddersfield really IS Sheffield, not Fartown. Funny old world, innit?
And if anyone is going on about rich owners, I'd be quite at ease if they all buggered off tomorrow. Given as we seem to be one of the few clubs who have had one and seem never likely too...
As you were...
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Just passing through, but one little snippet not a lot of people realise.
=#BFBF00The company currently called "Huddersfield Giants Ltd", that operates the Giants franchise? It is actually the former Sheffield Eagles Ltd. Not the former Huddersfield club. It changed its name on 23/12/1999. So Huddersfield really IS Sheffield, not Fartown. Funny old world, innit?
And if anyone is going on about rich owners, I'd be quite at ease if they all buggered off tomorrow. Given as we seem to be one of the few clubs who have had one and seem never likely too...
As you were...'"
There have been plenty willing enough to tell them that on here, but they aren't very good at listening, when theyre telling us how to go on.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Unsurprisingly, Gahan is choosing not to exercise his right to reply on this one.'"
That silly little thing called life gets in the way from time to time
Cheers to Vasty and Adeybull for their replies, i didnt know we still operated under Sheffield in the name, you learn summat new every day.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Davey owns most of it, I believe. Certainly more of it than Glover owns of ours, or will own of our future ground. Dodgy argument, this one.
Here's a winner, though: Who won the last game between Wakey and Huddersfield?'"
KD owns 60% of it but that'll change when he sorts it out with Dean Hoyle soon.
Oh and you did
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"[uhaha.... no ground up to standard...you'd move to barnsley... ground share with anyone that would keep you in superleague [/uyou promised a new ground years ago to get in and you haven't got it even now...just temporary structures... share with castleford ...move to barnsley.... go to newmarket...go to glasshoughton.'"
Of course we would love, but one thing we would never do is merge with another club and steal its identity
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| Quote ="Gahan"KD owns 60% of it but that'll change when he sorts it out with Dean Hoyle soon.
[uOh and you did[/u
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Say that again in capitals please troll
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| Quote ="Gahan"
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| Thats the spitting image of my old mate Lee.
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