It's been aready mentioned else where, it seems that the SL money reduction came about because of the anger from other SL club chairmen about the RFL helping Bradford out and not being open & honest about the situation.

You also owed more money as a club and correct me if I'm wrong, OK didn't pay that many of the old creditors when he took over.I wonder if it's a percentage of your overall debt being paid by the new company that gets the points removed. When we was given 4 points it was because the new owner had paid quite a number of creditors and contined to work with many of them.

Do you think that because this is the second time you've been down this road. it should be taken into consideration when the RFL make their call about whatever punishment ? Even paying off most of the ceditors it must have a bearing.

Has he gone yet?

the guys upset, he's looking for friends

Can you summarise his arguments? I usually lose the will to live after the first eight paragraphs.

Thats another injustice that you've pointed out. That 78k yearly rent is more than half what we pay to rent BV. Yet Odsal is by far a bigger wealth generator, double the capacity (quadruple at the moment) and double the size corporate facilities. I'm no expert but I know enough to know that the rent is not marked to market.

If such a purchase is good business for the RFL why did they not purchase BV as an on going investment? You see the double standards been applied?

Nah mate. Straw man again. You know full well I am not commenting on anyone's "worthiness". I am expressing my disappointment at the loud voices who will not debate, will not consider anyone else's POV, support their POV with opinion or misinformation rather than back it up with actual facts, and go [iad hominem[/i and resort to derision when the other guy won't just roll over and accept they are 100% right but tries reasoned argument. As we can see immediately above.

Don't worry TRB, I've gone now. Waste of time attempting reasoned debate on here, as always, but I thought it might be worth another shot nevertheless.

The recent health and safety closures prove it's not in as good a state, thus a bigger risk investment? Given odsal has "double to corporate facility's and wealth generator" Bv doesn't fit the rfls portfolio criteria? Or, you know, Wakefield didn't offer to sell it to them?

Yes I'm sure that the offer was on the table but Ted Richardson turned it down and was happy for it to get repossessed by the Bank of Ireland.



What property holding portfolio are the RFL in the market for? What profits is the odsal lease generating for the RFL other than the 78?K a year. How much are you getting for the Refs taking up residency?

I'm not a Bradford fan. However the whole world isn't against Wakefield as your post was implying, there's a whole magnitude of different logics that can be applied.

Also if you look at the numbers, 78k represents a 15 year roi which whilst hardly going to break the bank, is somewhere between average and good for the investment.

As for Ted turning down an rfl offer, I'll say again, Bradford offered it to the rfl, there was no offer for Bradford to turn down. The rfl didn't actively seek out the deal, it was offered to them - do you categorically know Wakefield did the same with evidence to back it up?

I just can't see that. I don't think Wakefield had the foresight to try and sell the stadium to the RFL.
That's where I think some who don't like what is happening to Bradford get it confused with what happened to Wakefield.

To me it's like doing the same job as someone being paid more than you.
Who's fault is that?
Some would say the company for not levelling the pay but at the end of the day if they asked for more and you didn't it's up to you to resolve it, maybe the company to resolve if they want to keep you happy but it certainly isn't the other guy's fault no matter how much it irritates you.

Of course it not their fault (although they have to take some blame for getting in that situation). The problem is the RFLs double standards, is that not clear? We didn't get the RFL to buy into us because it clearly wasn't an option, if it was we would have (rather than admin and what looked like certain relegation at the time). The RFL having a stake in the Bulls is a massive conflict of interest and no clubs were consulted or voted for them circumstances. I really don't know how people can justify the double standards. Maybe im a bit old fashioned for valuing fair play in a sporting competition. Thats what I value and that's what I'll continue to value, its getting close to the point that I'll just keep my money in my pocket and not contribute to this charade. For now my emotional investment in Wakefield is still strong enough for me to stick around.

If I had a pound for everytime I'd heard that I'd have 3 pounds now.

Just saying.

Im with you Pop Tart.

To be honest I couldnt give a monkeys what Bradford have had, not had etc. I hope they get through whatever it is they need to get through and come out the other side. I have dealt with a couple of pre packs and am aware that a high percentage fail and they will have there work cut out trying to establish credit lines for all there needs. I wish them luck.

People talk about us been hard done to, but just think of all the clubs that have been locked out of the top flight for the last however long whilst watching us go from one financial disaster to another, I dont think it would have taken much for the RFL to get shut if they really really wanted to.

Lets just get on with the job of staying in the league and let others look after themselves.

Agree, we need to concentrate all our energies on staying up and running our own club well. We've had our own issues and our long term sustainability is our priority, what others do or don't do is up to them.

Thank Christ for that... it is like trying to herd cats getting into 'a debate' with AdeyBull. He models himself on the Iraqi Ministry of Information guy!



Remember him...

They send letters to the RFL about how hard done to they are?

Any response from this letter? Or has it been filed with the ‘Ashley klein is really mean to us’ petition?

Aren't you busy enough annoying people on the VT without coming on this board and doing it?

Im part of the RFL conspiracy against you.

They didn't purchase BV as RFL knew they could get a lot more money from Odsal from landfill companies.

Hello Mrs Wood.

There's no over-reaction here, merely a request for an explanation of the application of the rules and regulations involved here.

We have had a receipt noting that the matter will be dealt with by Blake Solly, who appears a reasonable sort. We will see what comes back.

Reasoned argument suggests a willingness to listen to the other side. I have yet to see a single word from you which accepts this premis.

I believe the RFL are right to keep Bradford in SL, but that a points deduction is essential in order for fair play to have been seen to be done. That is all.

Can' t help but think that the RFL actually read your letter Ian.

The letter was written on behalf of the Supporters Trust. We believe that we were correct in our comments, albeit it doesn't give us any great satisfaction to see a club in this position, but we believe the points raised have been considered, whether down to us or not.

What we need now is people to support the Trust. We are carrying out important work on behalf of our club and we need numbers and money from membership. Please back us!

that letter should of also asked for the regime who put them in this situation to be tarred and feathered, they should think them selves lucky with 6 points