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| Maybe he's carrying an injury?
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| Kirmond has been carrying injuries all season, hasn't stopped him putting 110%.
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| I don't cut this,
like most today I had other more important things to attend to and wasn't willing to slap out cash to watch us fall on our again, but to hear that we signed a player that has not even shown any quality I would be questioning the contract that he signed,
he sounded great slating Bradford fans off for being in a dull stadium on the players forum the other month but where the hell is this quality prop
time you man'ed up Nick are a professional or what
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| He did an interview posted on RL with JD and he was gutted absolutely gutted to be leaving Bradford. Maybe his emotions are preventing him finding his ability.
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| Once again I was correct when slating his opening speech comin to us I am proved right yet again.I would offer him back to Bradford and we can have Fakir instead.
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| Did you lot not see scruton play for Bradford? We had one good season out of him which we put down to injuries and his diabetes diagnosis.
As for Fakir please have him. He's not match for so you get due minutes a half out of him and he's made a large number of handling errors.
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| Maybe he's not getting a roasting from our coach for his performances.
Instead he is probably getting analysed as to why he is not performing.
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| To say Richard Moore has a more debilitating illness than most players you would not think so with the effort he puts in.
Scruton needs to look around him and pull his finger out more so if he wants to feed his family after this season.If I was in the position of looking at him to bring in to a club he would have blown it.
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| Quote ="les-goose"To say Richard Moore has a more debilitating illness than most players you would not think so with the effort he puts in.
Scruton needs to look around him and pull his finger out more so if he wants to feed his family after this season.If I was in the position of looking at him to bring in to a club he would have blown it.'"
To be fair I think you will find that Scrutton also has a debilitating illness?
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| I know Scruton is diabetic and Im not saying its easy to live with but lets face it Crohns is quite an awful thing to have.
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| Quote ="les-goose"I know Scruton is diabetic and Im not saying its easy to live with but lets face it Crohns is quite an awful thing to have.'"
So is Type 1 Diabetes and despite some very high profile athletes coping magnificently with it they're the exception.
It puts paid to a lot of sporting careers as not everyone can balance the demands of the condition with the demands of sporting activity especially at a professional level.
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| I thought Scruton started off ok but has dipped recently. Maybe he is finding the move hard who knows.
But I thought I'd check the stats to see who is doing what.
Top tackler?
Washbrook 292 16th in the league
Kirmond 272
McShane 248
Anderson 230
Smith 217
% success in tackle
Tautai 96% on 185 attempts
Anderson 95% on 243 attempts
Smith 94% on 231 attempts
Washbrook 94% on 312 attempts
Kirmond 92% on 296 attempts
Scruton is on 88%
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Houghton 96% from 456 attempts
Donaldson 94% from 422 attempts
Westerman 92% from 406 attempts
Roby 97% from 383 attempts
Top prop is Chris Hill with 98% from 323 attempts
Amor is 96% on 125 attempts
Tackling isn't the issue with our best. I'm wondering if we are putting enough people in to the tackle
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| Quote ="PopTart"Tackling isn't the issue with our best. I'm wondering if we are putting enough people in to the tackle'"
We're not doing it right - simple as.
The new trend (which I don't agree with, but that's irrelevant) is for the first man to go high, and hold up the runner; it's vital that he makes good contact, and sticks. The second man halts forward progress by going low and securing the legs and when the third man joins, they wrestle the tackled player onto his back, with his head facing his own sticks. They then peel off one by one on the call of move, with the bloke at the top of the heap coming off first. That creates the slowest possible play the ball and allows the defensive line to set. Observe Sean O'Loughlin; up high, head in the face, and his head stays in the face until the other two tacklers have peeled off - it's an effective tackle, and it's horrible for the tackled player to endure, which is part of the point.
Our first contact is often pat-a-cake under 8's stuff and as a result, we're not controlling the collision; so we're allowing an offload or giving away fast play the balls and our defence is in chaos or at worst, we concede a penalty.
In the arms race that is the modern tackle - we're Belgium.
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| Quote ="bren2k"We're not doing it right - simple as.
The new trend (which I don't agree with, but that's irrelevant) is for the first man to go high, and hold up the runner; it's vital that he makes good contact, and sticks. The second man halts forward progress by going low and securing the legs and when the third man joins, they wrestle the tackled player onto his back, with his head facing his own sticks. They then peel off one by one on the call of move, with the bloke at the top of the heap coming off first. That creates the slowest possible play the ball and allows the defensive line to set. Observe Sean O'Loughlin; up high, head in the face, and his head stays in the face until the other two tacklers have peeled off - it's an effective tackle, and it's horrible for the tackled player to endure, which is part of the point.
Our first contact is often pat-a-cake under 8's stuff and as a result, we're not controlling the collision; so we're allowing an offload or giving away fast play the balls and our defence is in chaos or at worst, we concede a penalty.
In the arms race that is the modern tackle - we're Belgium.'"
Very well explained. Even a topical analogy at the end. Top marks.
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| Quote ="bren2k"We're not doing it right - simple as.
The new trend (which I don't agree with, but that's irrelevant) is for the first man to go high, and hold up the runner; it's vital that he makes good contact, and sticks. The second man halts forward progress by going low and securing the legs and when the third man joins, they wrestle the tackled player onto his back, with his head facing his own sticks. They then peel off one by one on the call of move, with the bloke at the top of the heap coming off first. That creates the slowest possible play the ball and allows the defensive line to set. Observe Sean O'Loughlin; up high, head in the face, and his head stays in the face until the other two tacklers have peeled off - it's an effective tackle, and it's horrible for the tackled player to endure, which is part of the point.
Our first contact is often pat-a-cake under 8's stuff and as a result, we're not controlling the collision; so we're allowing an offload or giving away fast play the balls and our defence is in chaos or at worst, we concede a penalty.
In the arms race that is the modern tackle - we're Belgium.'"
That is what we actually did better against Huddersfield tackled better and stopped them offloading as much
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| Quote ="PopTart"I thought Scruton started off ok but has dipped recently. Maybe he is finding the move hard who knows.
But I thought I'd check the stats to see who is doing what.
Top tackler?
Washbrook 292 16th in the league
Kirmond 272
McShane 248
Anderson 230
Smith 217
% success in tackle
Tautai 96% on 185 attempts
Anderson 95% on 243 attempts
Smith 94% on 231 attempts
Washbrook 94% on 312 attempts
Kirmond 92% on 296 attempts
Scruton is on 88%
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Houghton 96% from 456 attempts
Donaldson 94% from 422 attempts
Westerman 92% from 406 attempts
Roby 97% from 383 attempts
Top prop is Chris Hill with 98% from 323 attempts
Amor is 96% on 125 attempts
Tackling isn't the issue with our best. I'm wondering if we are putting enough people in to the tackle'"
Its wide defence fo me. It all goes wrong when it goes to our flanks. Lyne is hopeless in defence. Fox is not a lot better. Mathes is a dodgt full back but Id rather have him back there and Sammut playing7. Its the 3/4 defence that is the issue for me mosy of all
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| This is probs why we appear to not to be fit as the first tackle is to soft so others are having to keep chasing back to make a second attempt and so it goes on and we end up blowing with all the chasing back and more tackles to do.Plus when we then get our hands on the ball we have a lot more work to do to get back in the opposition territory.
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| If it's so debilitating he can't get it under control, then, sadly, maybe a career as a player isn't for him anymore.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"If it's so debilitating he can't get it under control, then, sadly, maybe a career as a player isn't for him anymore.'"
I don't think anyone is saying that about either Scruton or Moore.
I don't think we have any medical experts on here that can diagnose over the web so let's leave that one alone.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't think anyone is saying that about either Scruton or Moore.
I don't think we have any medical experts on here that can diagnose over the web so let's leave that one alone.'"
I agree with you on that point!
RM looks full of it and I bet he's champing at the bit for the next game - let's hope RA sticks with him.
As for NS, for whatever reason we haven't seen the best of him - perhaps a 'rest' may benefit him, seeing as we have the luxury of other props!
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"I agree with you on that point!
RM looks full of it and I bet he's champing at the bit for the next game - let's hope RA sticks with him.
As for NS, for whatever reason we haven't seen the best of him - perhaps a 'rest' may benefit him, seeing as we have the luxury of other props!'"
The best of Scruton was when he was at Leeds. Maybe he'll never acheive that level again?
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"The best of Scruton was when he was at Leeds. Maybe he'll never acheive that level again?'"
Well I think at least one Bradford fan has posted on here that he has not been his best at Bradford, although I seem to remember he looked ok playing for Bradford against us!
Maybe he's dreaming of a Leeds return, who knows.
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| Belgium, they are good these days, suggest we are more like England all talk no substance.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"Well I think at least one Bradford fan has posted on here that he has not been his best at Bradford, although I seem to remember he looked ok playing for Bradford against us!
Maybe he's dreaming of a Leeds return, who knows.'"
He won their player of the year last year I think
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| Scruton was immense for us last season.
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