The total lack of feedbacks the major problem not the effort people that have a passion have put in. I have never been in the new stadium at Newmarket camp and to be totally honest couldn't give a toss if it gets built or not.
I would also never have a go at people who give up time on a voluntary basis to fight a cause they feel they have to fight but because of my lack of interested the outcome is totally irrelevant to me.
For people who back a new stadium at Newmarket and are frustrated at the information they receive it's totally understandable the backlash that gets circulated..

Yes, well done to those guys for actually getting of their backsides and trying to make a difference, I'm sure everybody on here are proud of them and applaud their efforts, and as you say if it all comes to nothing at least they can say they've given it their best shot, if you'd care to look through the thread nobody has disagreed with you or complained about the lack of progress made, that being the nub of the matter, nobody knows what progress is being made which in turn is causing frustration to some fans myself included who aren't whinging as you put it, but merely voicing their opinion of the lack of information available, but if it suits you to change what's written in front of you to suit your argument then fill your boots squire.

I get the frustration, but why take it out on TRB etc, with the "if u havent got anything to say, then sod off" type comments? Surely its preferable to have reassurances that meetings are still taking place rather than people thinking its just ground to a shuddering halt?

Whether you'd call them whinging or not there's been a couple of y comments aimed at TRB.

On topic whether we end up moving or not, I think everyone can agree owning the ground again as a back up is very important to our future.

End of the day we all want a stadium fit for purpose for Wakefield and hopefully after a long hard battle we will end up getting one.

Basically no - and you know it.

It's not what he said it's how he said it, and I'm surprised you condone that.

We are all frustrated and I have had a recent run in with TRB myself. However there is a world of difference between that and making it personal as gower did.

It's not that he's totally wrong - he isn't -but if we start fighting amongst ourselves and people like TRB walk away - and I would if I was him - then what slim chances we have disappear forever. I'm sorry if he's a mate of yours but he was utterly out of order with that post, TRB is a genuinely nice guy who gets nothing out of this except an ulcer and he didn't deserve it. He's not above questioning but at least keep it polite, surely that's fair.

Also strikes me as odd (and I don't wish to fall out with you over it) but why is the heat directed at TRB and why is it TRB's propaganda. At the end of the day he's just a fans representative, Michael Carter and Rodney Walker are far bigger players in this than TRB so why are people not venting their spleen on them?

I will however make one more plea to TRB - stop posting on this subject until you have some real news, good or bad - at the moment everything you say will be open to misinterpretation.



Now I look forward to you lambasting me next time I see you

This is the crux.

I would also add, to others FFS, stop asking what's the latest! If there's anything worth telling I'm sure it will be out within hours.

Is that not exactly my point?

I clearly stated that it's through no fault of his own. TRB even stated that he had intentions to provide an update but for whatever reason didn't:



Granted, the "you" in the context of my original post was more aimed at the Trust (inclusive of Rodney Walker amongst others) rather than one individual and I accept could have been clearer with that. However, the efforts of that individual (TRB), have never been called into question. It's quite clear that any supporter who is willing to put their hand up to invest the time and effort that he has up to this point should be both supported and applauded. That's never been in doubt. What is in doubt is the need to provide an update that's no different from the previous update or the previous update before it, and that's been a recurring theme for the past X years. Hence the frustration.

Sure people will ask, but the method of response on the part of TRB in its current guise is not fit for purpose. It's ammunition to get shot at. And for the responsibility of any sound-bite to fall at the feet of one individual to speak on behalf of the Trust on this forum, frankly it's unfair.

It's a no win situation. If TRB doesn't post there'll be people on here criticising him for NOT keeping fans updated. If he does post updates saying things in general terms like "progressing but no details yet" then he'll be criticised for doing it when he should have kept quiet. For ****''s sake let him just get on with it and do things in the way he wants (or more likely has to) and let's just support him and the rest of the team.

He's certainly got my full support because without him and the others we woudn't even be in a position where any progress was possible.

The problem between reading something and hearing it first hand can be very misleading and sometimes taken out of context as in this case, I thought your post about trolling was a generalisation against all of us what had spoken out about our misgivings regarding the lack of information and not of Gower as an individual, which rather proves my point, perhaps you could sense some personal issues with him but in all honesty I thought it was to the point but fair and that's why I included him in my reply.


Regarding Carter and Walker, I'm quite sure that were these people available for comment on the subject, that TRB's life would a lot less stressful on here at least, unfortunately there not but TRB is and whether it's by accident or design he has set himself up as the spokesman on here, and rightly or wrongly people see him as the man in the know, he clearly does not have a mandate to come on here and tell us anything other than what he's been told to say hence my descriptive view as being propaganda, as you say it might be better if he only spoke out when there is something to say, less frustrating all round and deny's us antagonists any opportunity to vent our spleen

It does seem rather contrary that TRB feels compelled to give a carefully worded update that basically says nothing, whilst Michael Carter is in the media talking about making an offer on BV and stating that is his preferred option.

Surely Carter is looking at a possible personal business investment that will give him an even better return if Newmarket ever happens. He can't really lose can he?

Yeah exactly, struggling to understand the mindset of people who can't resist the urge to snipe at someone who is just letting us know that the process is still continuing, even if he can't give a full account of it. Surely it's better to have that than nothing at all.

I'm struggling to understand the mindset of people who have the urge to carry on trying to re ignite an argument with posters what have stated their opinion and are happy to accept that everybody does not think alike and do not want to get into a stupid argument as to who is right and who is wrong


Surely it is better to agree to disagree and stop your petty bickering, we've all had our say why not leave it at that till there's something to discuss

Not interested in starting an argument with anyone, it's you who keeps quoting my comments and wringing your hands at them. Or are you just upset I don't have a stadium update for you?

Ok, I have not been watching this one so closely but we seem to be falling out over nothing here.

If TRB chooses to post details of what he is doing or not, it's his choice. By all means comment on it but don't start an argument about what he didn't post. I'll take that as trolling/stalking/bullying and you can assume a warning.

Equally if someone wants to post that they would like a different option to Newmarket or Belle Vue new or old, let them do it. As long as they are not accusing or unfairly criticising another poster.
To help, [i 'I don't want to go to Newmarket[/i' is fine.... '
"[iHeaven forbid you damage your position! Given that you've been in more positions than Jenna Jameson, it's hard to believe there are any positions left for you to assume...

I'm sure I speak on behalf of most when I say that as a Wakefield fan I am totally bored of every "update" you provide on the subject[/i... is not ok.

I'll follow procedure from now on. You'll get a warning and if that doesn't work, you'll take a rest from the Wakefield forum.
Let's assume what has been said is enough for now. Don't continue the petty bickering.

Hy guys, I'm fine. I'm just a fan, but somehow got embroiled in all this and I understand all of the points raised. No issue for me. In fairness I only ever give a reply when someone is asking and I don't think it would be fair to leave them hanging, even if all I confirm is ......!

You all care, as do I, so we have that much in common!

Seems an odd stance to take, am I dreaming this or did MC state in the last 12 months that staying at BV was a definite no?

He said that staying at BV under the current circumstances at that time was a no.

Since then there has been a reduction in rent, the ground put up for sale with a known asking price, the club becoming debt free...and perhaps movement in the game of chess with WMDC and Yorkcourt.

Maybe there is a potential funding stream now, that wasn't there before?

I've a feeling the stadium trust will ask YC to stump up the cash for belle vue but i don't think CM is the kind of guy to do so. He'll tell them to go and jump as this has nothing to do with the new development. At the end of the day he's a business man, he's never had any interest in Wakefield trinity and he never will. He's got what he wanted with planning for building at Newmarket and I don't see him giving away 600k from the money he makes out of it all. Hell bank the lot stick two fingers up at Wakey and laugh at the council for being so inept and not producing a watertight document that would have given Wakefield a home. I believe the council did this on purpose too and I doubt very much there'll be any loopholes with regard to the building works to the east of the city.

On a interview today, Michael Carter revealed, that the developer (Yorkcourt) have in conjunction and alignment with the council and the club submitted a bid for belle vue.
Which they are hopeful will be accepted.
If they are, they would want to look at purchasing the superbowl site...
It is thought that if we were to "give" up newmarket this would give the developer more land to build on and sell, which more than cover the cost of Superbowl...

Would it leave some spare for re-development?

This may have flown under the radar, but offers hope that we may have a full time home, whether it is at Newmarket or not.

This would be excellent news in my opinion.
If no money for re-development couldn't there be some sort of fund raising efforts to achieve the necessary money?

Ownership of the ground could well interest a "sugar daddy" type investor who may put money into the club knowing that there is a saleable asset which is going to increase in value rather than depreciate.

Ownership of the ground could well interest a "sugar daddy" type investor who may put money into the club knowing that there is a saleable asset which is going to increase in value rather than depreciate.

Where did you read/see this interview?