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| I have it on very good authority i will leave it at that to protect where it has come from in relation to our finances.
All clubs finances were independently assessed and we came out of it very well, we only owe to Sir Rodders.
Quins without Mr Hughes proping them up are in the big brown and smelly as Shudds totally rely on Mr Davey.
As for Fax chairman having a go at us...he wants to look a bit closer to home. As a Halifax Town fan for my sins as well as Trinity fan, Fax sold Thrum Hall paid off their very large debts and then moved into the Football ground. They put no money into the ground and there have been numerous rumours on football fans forums and in the local paper that they have on numerous occassions defaulted on their rent.
So people in glass houses !!
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| Why Sir Rodders? He invested in the "old club". Didn't he lose out like the rest of the creditors/hmrc/local business/vat etc?
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| Quote ="Fred Gee"I have it on very good authority i will leave it at that to protect where it has come from in relation to our finances.
All clubs finances were independently assessed and we came out of it very well, we only owe to Sir Rodders.
Quins without Mr Hughes proping them up are in the big brown and smelly as Shudds totally rely on Mr Davey.
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You forgot, Wigan without Leneghan, Wire without Moran, you without Glover, Salford without Wilkinson, Cas without Wright, Saints without McManus etc etc
The vast majority of our clubs would be in the without someone putting their money in.
I got all the above on good authority too
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| Perhaps he's one of the debts ag agreed to pay and maybe rw is willing to wait for his money??
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| Quote ="Gahan"You forgot, Wigan without Leneghan, Wire without Moran, you without Glover, Salford without Wilkinson, Cas without Wright, Saints without McManus etc etc
The vast majority of our clubs would be in the poop without someone putting their money in.
I got all the above on good authority too
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Indeed and it's worth noting that Trinity are financialy clean because we have only existed for six month as a business. Lets see what we look like in 3-4 years time before we start gloating. We are in no position to feel superior, that said we have no reason to feel inferior.
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| thing is some of these money men back the mouth with the cash , its just the as the pussball and say Chelsea with him from Russia , he says im rich buy who you want and hey presto.
its not others fault that we brought pearman's and Enid Richardson's stories for so long.
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| Quote ="vastman"Indeed and it's worth noting that Trinity are financialy clean because we have only existed for six month as a business. '"
So what happens to the 137 yr old history, is that a former club now
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| Quote ="Gahan"So what happens to the 137 yr old history, is that a former club now
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Go away troll.
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| Quote ="Gahan"So what happens to the 137 yr old history, is that a former club now
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Get over it big ears
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Go away troll.'"
Hardly trolling, if its a new business then does the history still count?
Like debating who is the oldest RL club, most clubs have a chink somewhere along their entire history.
I thought it was a valid point for Vastman to answer
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| Quote ="Gahan"You forgot, Wigan without Leneghan, Wire without Moran, you without Glover, Salford without Wilkinson, Cas without Wright, Saints without McManus etc etc
The vast majority of our clubs would be in the poop without someone putting their money in.
I got all the above on good authority too
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sorry to burst your bubble but wright inherited his shares and the main benefactors at cas has been the fulton family for many a year,although not mega rich he puts his hand in his pocket whilst wright is is front man for the time been.
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| Quote ="braytontiger"sorry to burst your bubble but wright inherited his shares and the main benefactors at cas has been the fulton family for many a year,although not mega rich he puts his hand in his pocket whilst wright is is front man for the time been.
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Fultons/Wright, you got the jist i was making
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| Quote ="Gahan"So what happens to the 137 yr old history, is that a former club now
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What happened to yours when you nicked a million quid off Sheffield Eagles and became Shuddersfield?
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| Quote ="bren2k"What happened to yours when you nicked a million quid of Sheffield Eagles and became Shuddersfield?'"
also - the birthplace of rl tag wears a bit then - that was in huddersfield, but not THIS club - as they reformed as sheffield didn't they? So THIS club started after they shafted Sheffield. Huddersfield might be the birthplace of RL, but the Giants are a mere tot, onl;y slightly older than us.
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| Quote ="vastman"Indeed and it's worth noting that Trinity are financialy clean because we have only existed for six month as a business. Lets see what we look like in 3-4 years time before we start gloating. We are in no position to feel superior, that said we have no reason to feel inferior.'"
cos we havn't got ted now m8!
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| Quote ="Gahan"So what happens to the 137 yr old history, is that a former club now
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We were discussing this in the pub tonight. Basically Glover owns the name and the heritage and little else. Does Sheffield's Cup win in 1998 still belong to the new Eagles club or the Huddersfield club?
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"We were discussing this in the pub tonight. Basically Glover owns the name and the heritage and little else. Does Sheffield's Cup win in 1998 still belong to the new Eagles club or the Huddersfield club?'"
Neither.... Kear owns it and wants to bring all the players back to Wakefield next season to remember it.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"We were discussing this in the pub tonight. Basically Glover owns the name and the heritage and little else. Does Sheffield's Cup win in 1998 still belong to the new Eagles club or the Huddersfield club?'"
The original Huddersfield club no longer exists. It was dissolved and replaced by the merged entity even though they lost any new merged name not long after
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| We've never been liquidated, there is an uninterrupted history stretching all the way back to our birth in 1873
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| Quote ="Gahan"Hardly trolling, if its a new business then does the history still count?
Like debating who is the oldest RL club, most clubs have a chink somewhere along their entire history.
I thought it was a valid point for Vastman to answer'"
Happy to old boy.
We are still Wakefield Trinity all be it version 4 as far as I recall. As indeed are Bradford who are at least on version 2 as I believe are Leeds, HKR and Wigan to name but a few.
You were Huddersfield RLFC you are now Huddersfield and SHEFFIELD Giants. The clue is in BOLD. There can be no argument that in every respect you are a new club, if you don't want to be and wish to revert give the million pounds back. Same applies to Hull just to give some balance.
I really think you are digging a whole for yourself here.
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| Quote ="tamargrace"cos we havn't got ted now m8!
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Wouldn't disagree on purely financial terms but it's hardly something to gloat or laugh about is it. A broken club, a broken man in Ted (yes amazing he's a human being), broken team, broken careers, unpaid bills and very nearly broken hearts on here. Yes Glover has done a great job since taking over but a lot of people paid a high price to give him that chance - not his fault obviously.
Think on.
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| Quote ="vastman"Happy to old boy.
We are still Wakefield Trinity all be it version 4 as far as I recall. As indeed are Bradford who are at least on version 2 as I believe are Leeds, HKR and Wigan to name but a few.
You were Huddersfield RLFC you are now Huddersfield and SHEFFIELD Giants. The clue is in BOLD. There can be no argument that in every respect you are a new club, if you don't want to be and wish to revert give the million pounds back. Same applies to Hull just to give some balance.
I really think you are digging a whole for yourself here.'"
Unsurprisingly, Gahan is choosing not to exercise his right to reply on this one.
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| mmmm we paid off sheffields debts £565,000 never got the balance of the money for the Keith Senior transfer £180,000, had to hire Brammall Lane to play in Sheffield and when we still got relegated had to give Martin Gleeson to Saints for nowt market value at the time £150,000 at least, Chris Bridge to Bradford market value at least £50,000 etc etc.... so don't go saying how we gained from this.... the RFL didn't want Sheffield to be seen to be going bust... I woulda merged with Gateshead a lá Hull every time it was a far better deal than we got..... We didn't need Sheffield the RFL dangled a carrot and we took it... we shoulda gone down and come straight back up as we did later... but don't hit us about Ken D when you now have Glover 'the saviour' because we have already been there and like all clubs with these guys Davey, Lenagan, Moran, Hetherington Alf Davies etc etc Hull with Pearson eventually someone will have to step in.....
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"mmmm we paid off sheffields debts £565,000 never got the balance of the money for the Keith Senior transfer £180,000, had to hire Brammall Lane to play in Sheffield and when we still got relegated had to give Martin Gleeson to Saints for nowt market value at the time £150,000 at least, Chris Bridge to Bradford market value at least £50,000 etc etc.... so don't go saying how we gained from this.... the RFL didn't want Sheffield to be seen to be going bust... I woulda merged with Gateshead a lá Hull every time it was a far better deal than we got..... We didn't need Sheffield the RFL dangled a carrot and we took it... we shoulda gone down and come straight back up as we did later... but don't hit us about Ken D when you now have Glover 'the saviour' because we have already been there and like all clubs with these guys Davey, Lenagan, Moran, Hetherington Alf Davies etc etc Hull with Pearson eventually someone will have to step in.....'"
All that may be true but you are still Huddersfield and Sheffield Giants and have little to do with the old Fartown based Huddersfield RLFC.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"mmmm we paid off sheffields debts £565,000 never got the balance of the money for the Keith Senior transfer £180,000, had to hire Brammall Lane to play in Sheffield and when we still got relegated had to give Martin Gleeson to Saints for nowt market value at the time £150,000 at least, Chris Bridge to Bradford market value at least £50,000 etc etc.... so don't go saying how we gained from this.... the RFL didn't want Sheffield to be seen to be going bust... I woulda merged with Gateshead a lá Hull every time it was a far better deal than we got..... We didn't need Sheffield the RFL dangled a carrot and we took it... we shoulda gone down and come straight back up as we did later... but don't hit us about Ken D when you now have Glover 'the saviour' because we have already been there and like all clubs with these guys Davey, Lenagan, Moran, Hetherington Alf Davies etc etc Hull with Pearson eventually someone will have to step in.....'"
it's exactly this sort of post that wazzes me off with the fart owners - in hindsight, what you are saying is that the support and process by which you were meant to strengthen wasn't neccessarily a good thing or something that you wanted to do -hmmmm, wait a minute - maybe that's what wildcat supporters are feeling about the last 12 months. Come back in 3 years and maybe we'll tell you how we feel about the whole thing in hindsight. In the meantime just accept that every club has it's ups and downs - and when you go on the attack with us we have a legitimate and needful excuse to remind you of your own chequered and(in the case of Sheffield) shameful history
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