Isn't that what all this is about though, opinions and to have a say, maybe people to realise that on this forum.

In regards to finishing 5th, what I'm trying to prove is that although we (supposedly) did well in the seasons to finish 5th and a lot of people keep mentioning this, we still only won nearly as many as we lost, so maybe the other teams that season were not as good as they had been, which fudged the league table a little, that's a fact

But of truth in last sentence ,but do not think much to your 6 points .

Course it is, that's what I did to your OP, I agreed with 2 of your points, the other 4 were of no interest to me what's gone is gone and saw no point in discussing them, they weren't opinions you were trying to make but comparisons, and not very well unfortunately, sorry.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t expect the majority to agree anyway. A few points raised. Just sick to death of fans just looking at the little things instead of the much bigger picture. IMO the game needs a lot of injection of ideas and cash and I just can’t see that happening due the the RFL not grabbing opportunities to link with others and the model we have hasn’t really changed and why should it and how can it? The game isn’t as exciting as it used to be. Grassroots is the starting point and summer rugby is the next. From my time playing professional and prem conference later on in my career I can see the difference in participation and viewing. Maybe others can’t.

The RFU have taken their game and taken a lot of what we do into theirs including coaches because of the money on offer. Simple fact. We are a working man’s game. The RFU are the hoo ha henries and will always be, ever since the split. I don’t have the answers and to be honest no one in RL seems to either.

On a positive Wakey will be fine and survive this season, and the next and the next. UTT

Thanks Chris!