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| Played the Crewe Railroaders in a scrimmage yesterday, boy am I sore this morning.
We came in expecting them to try and bully us, and it ended up being the other way round! Playing cover 1 as a corner, when you've injured their QB in the first 5 plays means that they just run it. Had outside contain all day, and apparantly sent a lineman flying. Will need to check the game film on that one. 
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| Quote ="DancingDodo"Played the Crewe Railroaders in a scrimmage yesterday, boy am I sore this morning.
We came in expecting them to try and bully us, and it ended up being the other way round! Playing cover 1 as a corner, when you've injured their QB in the first 5 plays means that they just run it. Had outside contain all day, and apparantly sent a lineman flying. Will need to check the game film on that one.
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My mate wants me to go down for the try outs for a few local teams in the off season, but my playing days of anything are behind me a the ripe old age of 28!
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| Behind you at 28?
Most O-linemen in BAFACL are in their 40-50s. And the Surge have a reciever in his 60s.
Most teams are dominated by players age 30-45 i'd say.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"It's the pieces around him and not him that can't get it done in the clutch. The defence really fell apart near the end.'"
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| Quote ="DancingDodo"Behind you at 28?
Most O-linemen in BAFACL are in their 40-50s. And the Surge have a reciever in his 60s.
Most teams are dominated by players age 30-45 i'd say.'"
I'm not the build of a lineman unfortunatley, nor have the speed to play DB or as a back! My football injuries are taking their toll!
I'm sick of the Chargers, all the talent but no killer instinct, and that comes down to one man......Norv. Get him out ffs. I can see our season fizziling to 7-9 now and missing out on the playoffs. Hopefully that will be enough to see the back of Norv, re-load in the draft and win it all in 2011 with Gruden at the helm.
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| Quote ="Adamjk"I'm not so sure - I've seen much dirtier hits than that. It looks like a bad one but I don't even think it was a direct helmet to helmet hit - most of the contact seems to be on the shoulder.'"
Pretty much what I said elsewhere - Robinson actually lowers his head to avoid it being helmet to helmet, the concussion for Jackson is as a result of the whiplash and his head hitting the ground.
Kolb lead him into a world of trouble with a high throw across the middle, Dunta is throwing himself at him to try and knock the ball loose IMO.
Still, this is the NFL under Goodell where any physical contact with any "star" player is banned but you can pump yourself full of whatever masking agents you like to avoid failing drug tests.
Funny how the Vikings suddenly can't stop the run now the NFL have got wise of the Williamses...
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Pretty much what I said elsewhere - Robinson actually lowers his head to avoid it being helmet to helmet, the concussion for Jackson is as a result of the whiplash and his head hitting the ground.
Kolb lead him into a world of trouble with a high throw across the middle, Dunta is throwing himself at him to try and knock the ball loose IMO.
Still, this is the NFL under Goodell where any physical contact with any "star" player is banned but you can pump yourself full of whatever masking agents you like to avoid failing drug tests.
Funny how the Vikings suddenly can't stop the run now the NFL have got wise of the Williamses...'"
See my response on SS
I agree with you regarding drugs cheats and the Williams sisters its a joke that they have been able to get away with it so long and still continue to do so! They will have retired before they actually get a ban 
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| Quote ="LFCRhino"Just nod,smile and politely tell him hes talking bollax

The QB is responsible, just like they are when they get praised for leading their teams to comeback wins and game winning drives
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I'm correct though. It isn't just as simple as win and the QB is praised. Lose and it is his fault.
Last week Rodgers put us in the position to win in the fourth quarter. Crosby missed the kick.
Yesterday Rodgers scored with 13 seconds left. A poor punt gave them the position to win.
I thought we'd lose yesterday (I picked against us in the PickEm league and said so on here) given our injuries, but that is no excuse.
We need to turn around our form in fourth quarters which is worrying but i don't see that defeat being because Rodgers isn't "clutch".
Three defeats by three game ending field goals shows we aren't far away from being the team we should be despite our issues in each game. We have a tough run in to the bye week so we really need to get rolling soon.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Like in Superbowl 42?
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Brady could have lead us to a game winning TD but he didn`t, if he had of done he would have been praised for winning us the game, but we didnt so he was blamed for having a poor game!
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I'm correct though. It isn't just as simple as win and the QB is praised. Lose and it is his fault.
Last week Rodgers put us in the position to win in the fourth quarter. Crosby missed the kick.
Yesterday Rodgers scored with 13 seconds left. A poor punt gave them the position to win.
I thought we'd lose yesterday (I picked against us in the PickEm league and said so on here) given our injuries, but that is no excuse.
We need to turn around our form in fourth quarters which is worrying but i don't see that defeat being because Rodgers isn't "clutch".
Three defeats by three game ending field goals shows we aren't far away from being the team we should be despite our issues in each game. We have a tough run in to the bye week so we really need to get rolling soon.'"
0-5 in overtime games. The "elite" take their team down the field when the games is on the line and win the game, more often than not". Rodgers is a supremely gifted quarterback and one of the league's top 10, but the best have this in their locker. It will come in time as you have to remember he is basically in his 3rd season. Would you like to modify your 12-4 prediciton? I'm thinking 10-6 (probably still win the north)
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| Quote ="LFCRhino"Yes.
Brady could have lead us to a game winning TD but he didn`t, if he had of done he would have been praised for winning us the game, but we didnt so he was blamed for having a poor game!
HTH
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Our defence was unplayable that day. Brady had no time whatsover. I've got Deion Branch in fantasyland. Wanna work out a trade? 
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I'm correct though. It isn't just as simple as win and the QB is praised. Lose and it is his fault.
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It really is though most of the time, nobody remembers injuries/ bad play from other positions very often but QB`s are always remembered for there ability/non ability to make game winning comebacks/ get them into position for winning FG`s.
Its a QB`s league with all the praise they get, deserved more often than not they have to come in for stick sometimes too.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Our defence was unplayable that day. Brady had no time whatsover. I've got Deion Branch in fantasyland. Wanna work out a trade?
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No If I wanted him I would already have him 
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Brady is 8-1 now, only one he lost was last year against Denver
" Brady’s 30th career fourth-quarter comeback. Quarterback Tom Brady led the Patriots to victory from a fourth-quarter deficit for the 30th time in his career. Brady was 16-of-24 for 156 yards in the fourth quarter and overtime. The comeback was Brady’s seventh in his career when trailing by 10 or more points in the fourth."
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Brady is 8-1 now, only one he lost was last year against Denver
" Brady’s 30th career fourth-quarter comeback. Quarterback Tom Brady led the Patriots to victory from a fourth-quarter deficit for the 30th time in his career. Brady was 16-of-24 for 156 yards in the fourth quarter and overtime. The comeback was Brady’s seventh in his career when trailing by 10 or more points in the fourth."
espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-engl ... id=4685337 
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| Quote ="LFCRhino"No If I wanted him I would already have him
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| Quote ="Nikaed"As if. You just get a high waiver pick each week.
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wins/4th quarter comebacks/game winning drives
Brady 101/21/30
PManning 134/35/44
Montana 117/31/33
Marino 147/36/51
Elway 148/35/46
Bradshaw 107/19/27
Favre 181/29/43
E Manning 54/13/16
A Rodgers 17/3/4*
*A Rodgers doesnt count this seasons stats because Im not sure if he has had any game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks?!?
All from this website www.pro-football-reference.com/
Looks like a good one 
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Brady 101/21/30
PManning 134/35/44
Montana 117/31/33
Marino 147/36/51
Elway 148/35/46
Bradshaw 107/19/27
Favre 181/29/43
E Manning 54/13/16
A Rodgers 17/3/4*
*A Rodgers doesnt count this seasons stats because Im not sure if he has had any game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks?!?
All from this website www.pro-football-reference.com/
Looks like a good one 
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PManning 134/35/44
Montana 117/31/33
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Elway 148/35/46
Bradshaw 107/19/27
Favre 181/29/43
E Manning 54/13/16
A Rodgers 17/3/4*
*A Rodgers doesnt count this seasons stats because Im not sure if he has had any game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks?!?
All from this website www.pro-football-reference.com/
Looks like a good one
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A better one would be to compare how many chances they've had. That'd be pretty diffcult though.
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Bradshaw 107/19/27
Favre 181/29/43
E Manning 54/13/16
A Rodgers 17/3/4*
*A Rodgers doesnt count this seasons stats because Im not sure if he has had any game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks?!?
All from this website www.pro-football-reference.com/
Looks like a good one
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A better one would be to compare how many chances they've had. That'd be pretty diffcult though.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"A better one would be to compare how many chances they've had. That'd be pretty diffcult though.'"
Im not sure those stats are kept, although knowing the NFL and how stat mad they are they may do, but Im not even going to bother looking TBH it could take a while!
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| Quote ="DancingDodo"Played the Crewe Railroaders in a scrimmage yesterday, boy am I sore this morning.
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Will you be playing Lancaster Bombers? I'll be heading up to watch them a couple of times.
I am itching for January to start now I have finished therapy on my shoulder. Moving out to WR and trying my hand at corner too.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"0-5 in overtime games. The "elite" take their team down the field when the games is on the line and win the game, more often than not". Rodgers is a supremely gifted quarterback and one of the league's top 10, but the best have this in their locker. It will come in time as you have to remember he is basically in his 3rd season. Would you like to modify your 12-4 prediciton? I'm thinking 10-6 (probably still win the north)'"
No doubt you'll quote me on this later in the year if i'm wrong.  I think we'll be between 11-5 and 9-7 (probably the latter at the minute).
Like I say we aren't far away and assuming we get our players back (One of the key issues yesterday was pass rush. Clay Matthews out meant we had none. Tauscher out meant we couldn't stop Wake) we can be very good. We've only lost by a total of 9 points.
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