Indeed.

SKY will use the VT speed that makes the tackle look worse, especially when it is a City player. For some reason, when one of our players makes a tackle that injures a player, they show the tackle on loop. Not always the case with players from other teams.

I thought Adebayor’s intention was to stamp on Van Persie but not to stamp on his head. If you watch it full speed, you will see that there is no way that Adebayor could have possibly reacted so quickly to aim the stamp at the head. In slow motion though, it looked terrible. He was banned, and deservedly so. Adebayor only jumped to prevent himself getting a potentially serious injury from a reckless tackle by Van Persie.

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I assume you mean those who do think De Jong did wrong.

You missed out the Dutch national team coach from the list who think it was a nasty challenge. I guess he's probably a bitter United fan though?

I don't think De Jong meant to cause injury. I think he went in hard knowing he'd take out Ben Arfa as well as the ball and make him wonder for the rest of the match where the next hit was coming from. 5 years ago that would have been fine. But it isn't 2005 now. We've had years of FIFA directives that ball and all tackles were outlawed and players couldn't dive in to challenges like that.

And the two broken legs that De Jong has dished out this year is the exact reason why FIFA have clamped down.

next you will be telling us they should ban headers too stop concussion. Load of pants it is you step on the pitch knowin there is a chance of injury. De jong went in for a good hard challenge won the ball and took te man no intention it happens. Ben Arfas leg got stuck in a wrong position thats all. De jong didnt go in over the knee he kept feeton the ground and shouldnt get a ban for that. Your taking the art of a good hard tackle away by stopping them tackles IMO

Posted it 9 minutes too late mate!!

Buggar!

Spot on, I wish you would stop talking like this though as it means I have to agree with you again



The only people I've seen saying it was a bad tackle is Ash and LGJM. I just don't see it. If you look at the challenge as it happens in full speed and it looks a good but hard tackle in which De Jong gets the ball and with the impact he gets the man, unfortunately in this case Ben Arfa breaks his leg. I still believe had Ben Arfa not broken his leg we wouldn't even be talking about it, it's trial by injury and because of who made the tackle. I would bet there was 5 or 6 worse tackles than this at the weekend in which a player wasn't injured at all.

De Jong's tackling technique is poor. Actually not poor, dangerous. Did he try to injure Ben Arfa? I'd be confident in saying no. Does he put opposition players at risk every time he takes the field due to his poor judgment and technique? Yes.

I'd probably say Wilkinson and Henry are dirtier players - IMHO they go out to hurt players. De Jong just lacks the technique to tackle and the football brain to time a challenge well. That does not excuse the challenges he makes though. 2 broken legs in a year is more than just unlucky.

ill agree in a way but i think he looks abad tackler because most of the players in the PL are scared too put there foot in there. Like the old saying goes if you dont go in flly commited you get hurt which i agree with. De Jong recives som bad challenges himself but shrugs them off there nothing better than seeing a good hard battle in the midfeild. Barton and De jong went in for 50/50 the hardest i seen all year and none of them cae out injured cause they both went in commited. Too many players put there self at risk with the positions they get into IMO

What is he supposed to do with his other leg? it's bound to come into contact with Ben Arfa and this time he was unfortunate to break his leg. Is he not supposed to go into the tackle incase someone gets injured? should be completely ban tackling incase injuries occur? he goes into the tackle, takes the ball and his follow through he come into contact with Ben Arfa it happens so often and 9 times out of ten the player being tackled won't be injured. If he hadn't broken a leg or been injured we wouldn't even be discussing this I don't think mate.

When we played Villa earlier this season Warnock went into a tackle on Rodwell, got the ball and in the follow through got the man too - we didn't get a foul for it and because of the tackle Rodwell will be out until January time with ligament injury - 4 months out, injuries happen.

I agree with all of that.

Just because there is no intention doesn't make it a bad tackle/technique.

There are some dirty $hithouses managing to steal a living in the PL at the moment whilst risking other professionals' careers. I'm not saying De Jong is one, because I don't believe he is, but the FA, PL [iet al[/i need to take control over the situation otherwise we might soon be talking about somebody's career being ended rather than a season-long injury.



This statement is, quite frankly, stupid.

It was a poor technique in the tackle that caused the injury, there was no 'art' in it at all.

All footballers owe it to their fellow pro's that they are always being safe and not putting their health at risk. De Jong can't defend himself, he's a dirty player and his challenges on Alonso etc. prove that. If he knows he can't control himself, he shouldn't go into sliding tackles, it's that simple. He does it too often, IMO, for there not to be intent, I don't think anyone would wish a double leg break, but I feel he goes in every time to show the opposition how tough he is, abusing the woeful refereeing we have to get away with it. It's just like van Bommel, he's the same, a dirty player who does it too often to not have intentions, yet people always feel sorry for the player who done the challenge after it happens.

De Jong deserves everything he gets, from the ruthless criticism to getting dropped from the Dutch squad. The media need to get their heads out of their backsides as well and start ruthlessly laying into players for this, the approach the media has to this is truly embarrassing, anyone who takes Collymore, Claridge and co. as a source of good knowledge should really take a good look at themselves, they are thick imbeciles who only get a job due to the numbness of those that appoint them. It's time for things to be more professional and more appropriate, those plonkers don't deserve any airtime/column inches.

yeah but the thing is they been there done it unlike the rest of us on here so we cant really call them. And no offence but it take someones word who has played PL football before somebody off a message board. How united fans cann call DeJong whenthey had the dirtiest house ever play football ( Roy Keane) is beyond me

According to a number of Dutch fans on various blogs, he has used De Jong as a scapegoat, over what happened in the WC. Whether that’s the case or not, I don’t know.

What I do know is that it was a poor piece of man-management.




My own personal opinion is that intimidation and using physical power and presence on a football field, is part of a footballers nal. Football is not just about pace, trickery and intelligence. It’s about power too. As long as that is used without intent to seriously injure or to simply carry out a violent act, then that’s fair.

As for FIFA clamping down on hard tackles, I fail to see how De Jong’s tackle could be seen as illegal.





You missed out the Japanese player whose ankle he broke and the

He does need to calm down but I believe the main reason he has caused these injuries is due to the fact that he goes to ground so often.

The Alonso tackle was a strange one. I have never seen him tackle like that for City. If I am honest, I don’t think I have seen him go out to ‘do’ someone. He’s no Roy Keane or Karl Henry. Palacios is far worse than De Jong.

His tackling technique sometimes reminds me of Brian Robson, although the latter got away with murder as he was a key player for England. Robson’s timing was also never as good, especially later on in his career.

Can’t agree at all.

De Jong is not the best footballer, but he can be very effective. Against teams from the bottom half, he is a passenger who slows the game down. Against the top 4 he is pretty much our best player every game along with Tevez. Some of his performances against the top 4 have been brilliant. Not bad for someone with no ‘football brain’ and poor tackling technique.

You do know that part of the problem is officiating – i.e. when has a player been fouled / not fouled. Why do they have such a hard time? Well, for a number of reasons. One of them being the am0unt of diving that goes on. Probably the two of the worst offenders during the life time of the PL are Nani and Ronaldo. Now you tell me how United have produced the two worst offenders for diving that I have watched in the PL? A coincidence? It’s clubs like United that encourage players to dive.

Ash

Is this the kind of 'scissor' challenge you were talking about?

Surely Steven Gerrard is the worst diver the premiership has ever seen? He's had some epics that lad.

Oh and Steven Taylor's Platoon effort.

Not understanding why you have brought up Roy Keane. If Keane did a bad challenge he generally got slapped with a ban. In fact I seem to remember him getting a 2nd ban a year or so after the Haaland challenge because he stated in his book that he went out to 'do' him.

The main crux of this argument seems to be that De Jong has got away with his challenge. I think Robbie Rotten has put it best.

City fans deflect all they can back to United. It's one of those things.

Ben Thatcher and NDJ, two of the worst, most dangerous tacklers in the perm in recent times. Do City encourage players to break limbs?



Fair play on deflecting the blame of a City hacker breaking a talented players leg, to two of the more talented, under protected players the PL has seen!

Not an overly bad challenege imo. Caught him with the trailing leg, thats all.

Booking tops.

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