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as someone on Bluekipper said.

Rafa Rafa Benitez.

is along with the owners the primary cause of this, I agree

It's the yanks fault

Joke of a wall, but what a strike by Alex!

Why you would even bother mentioning the wall is beyond me, that hits anyone it takes them with it plus the height and serve on it you can't stop them. Terrific strike.

During the World Cup final controversy he blamed the Premiership for turning him into this type of player.

What on Earth was the Liverpool free kick given for?
Those lucky lucky kopites. Three goals bang in front of them.
Matthew Gilks



City v Newcastle, a tale of two penalties.

Getting another yellow card and fine in York, before heading to Manchester for my first night out there since leaving Uni.


I'm not surprised at all by yesterday's result, we just aren't good enough away from home ATM.

Lost for words about today. Getting seriously bored of watching useless cloggers like de Jong, Henry and Cattermole every week now, it's becoming a joke.

Get well soon Hatem. I doubt we'll see him in a Newcastle shirt again - broken fib and tib is likely to end his season.

I havent seen De Jongs challenge yet but I can imagine what it was like the dirty house

Probably nothing like what you're thinking. He's goes to ground, does dive in but to suggest it was reckless is way out of line. In fact the only people I've seen claim that are two people on here, one of which is a Newcastle fan.

He dives in with his left leg fully extended. He barely makes any contact with the ball. Because he's dived in with his left leg it means that contact with Ben Arfa is inevitable. De Jong's right leg goes straight into Ben Arfa's left leg and breaks it.

It's exactly the type of challenge that has been outlawed. A challenge where a player may take the ball, but he knows he's taking the man as well. As it was contact with the ball was absolutely minimal. If he hadn't taken out Ben Arfa with the slide it would have been a useless tackle.

To say it's not reckless is moronic. That's two legs he's broken in 2010 and there's still three months of the year remaining. I really don't know how Citeh get away with it. They will be ****ed when refs start clamping down on their overly physical play.

He makes a fair bit of contact with the ball, his leg is fully extended as he goes in, he takes the ball with his left and he makes contact with Ben Arfa with his right, it's impossible not to make some contact as it is with virtually every tackle.



As above.



Had that been any other player I think you're opinion would be different, it's a case of reputation going before him. I haven't seen anyone else call it reckless or claim it should have been a red card other than here. Three match reports, the live commentary, MOTD2 - none claim it to be the reckless challenge you do. Chris Hughton said 'It was a challenge that didn't need to be made' not even he shares your opinion as far as we know.

I thought Newcastle were excellent yesterday, while City were very fortunate (on more than one occasion).

Interesting tactics by Chris Hughton - pushing up the defenders to crowd out our midfield. Very risky. We failed to take advantage of this, as we were not at the races at all.

As for Silva's passing in the second-half - sublime. If only we had an out and out forward.



Anyone heard the rumours about Torres crying as he walked down the tunnel yesterday after coming off? He gives the impression that he is a bit 'fragile' at the moment.

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Sure he is he shot JFK as well.

Cock.

At risk of starting reasonable and sensible debate. Who do people think is to blame for the debacle at Anfield. Just over 18 months ago Liverpool football club were top of the premier league and in the last sixteen of the champions league. They finished the 2008-2009 season winning ten of eleven games so the basis for a good team were there. They then sold Alonso, Arbeloa, Hyppia and have since seen the likes of Benayoun, Mascherano leave. It's clear the ownership issue has caused a bit of unrest at the club and the fans are rightly making their voices heard. It seems Benitez knew what was coming and the right thing in jumping ship, but how much blame can you place at the feet of Benitez? Of course his hands were tied with certain aspects of management in terms of money available his past few years but he had spent a hell of alot of money the previous years with little to show for it. is is fair to blame Roy Hodgson? Is a club of Liverpool's stature and size too big for him? Fernando Torres is clearly not himself at the moment also. Is it time to cash in on the darling of the kop to give the side a stronger look around with the funds that he'd surely bring in. My own personal opinion is that when you put it all together then all parties deserve a large part of the blame. As we see a former giant of rugby league reclaim it's place at the top of the mountain it's a good time to think about where Wigan were just four years ago. It goes to show woth the right management and ownership then thngs can turn around in a very short space of time. As much as we hate to see it, the premier league need's a strong Liverpool just as Rugby league needed a strong Wigan.

So let me get this right?

The Shawcross on Ramsey was a good tackle?
The De Jong on Ben Afra was a bad tackle?

The tackle you deemed 'good' was on an Arsenal player.
The tackle you deemed 'bad' was by a Man City player.

Biastastic!!

Don't forget Karl Henry as well.

The Premier League needs variety at the top far more than it needs a strong Liverpool. Liverpool spending 5-10 years in mid-table while Tottenham/Citeh/Villa improve and fight it out for the top 4 would be far more valuable to the PL than the same sides qualifying for the CL every year.

Most of the blame for their present position belongs to the owners. Not that I think they've been spectacularly bad owners, I just think they've been average/below average owners while LFC needed/wanted top quality owners.

Well you're getting it wrong already.

I never said it was a good tackle. I just don't feel it was the terrible assault that it's been made out to be. I don't feel that Shawcross did anything wrong and think it was a case of "5Hit happens", sadly.



Yes, it was a bad tackle.

It was a ball and player challenge that has been outlawed from the game. The contact with the ball was minimal. Ben Arfa was already being covered by another Citeh player and there was no need for such a reckless and dangerous tackle.



It's got **** all to do with the clubs involved. I've said this before, but the tackle by Shawcross on Adebayor (when he was an Arsenal player) should have been a straight red.

I defended Adebayor over his alleged stamping on van Persie against Arsenal.

I'm simply judging the incidents on how I see them.

You go back to where the problem started - Moores/Parry -----------> Yanks

The club is in decline and its spread from the core of the club to the players, about a 1000 of the match going fans saw this coming months and months ago but 98% of fans turned their backs on us and couldn't (didn't want to) see what was happening instead going with the old [iget behind the team instead line[/i clueless, we now stand in the bottom 3 and facing either Hicks getting the re-finance or this month administration/-9 Points taken away.

Happy times

Aren't Liverpool likely to fall into the bank's hands on 15 October? Assuming that happens (and also assuming they can avoid administration at the same time) they'll be in a much better position to get a sale. It would be madness to try and buy them now, better to wait until it's a bank selling rather than a crackpot American.