I know the type exactly, at least you're not surrounded by these people everyday

Fortunately we're not all the same, as I hope you've experienced. The playing the victim thing always gets me, it's like world against scouser with some people, Borris Johnson was spot on with his quotes a few years ago. Some of us aren't like that though. What did this person to be kicked out?



That I can believe

I think the FA / Premier League need to take action against Stoke. Their actions are a disgrace and need to be sorted ASAP. I don't know how they'd do it, but it needs to be done. They are a horrible team, horrible mentality, and Wilkinson and Pulis epitomise that.

What do you think they've done that deserves the FA or PL to step in?

Andy Wilkinson kicked Dembele out of the game and onto a stretcher last night with a pretty unpleasant challenge.

Off the back of all the fuss over the tackle on Aaron Ramsey last year I can see why some people might start to make assumptions about how Stoke's players are told to play the game.

Yet the ref, Mark Halsey I think it was, didn't deem it a foul.

EDITED - He did get booked but I think that was after the event as I'm sure on the TV last night he just gave a throw-in at first. Whatever, it was a full-blooded challenge at it's kindest.

Still don't really know what the FA/PL can do about it.

The constant fouls, dreadful challenges, bully boy tactics. I don't want to see good, exciting players go to Stoke and get they're legs broken. Dembele is the latest. No doubt that thug Wilkinson was "going for the ball" like Shawcross does, or Whelan, or Delap.

A challenge like that one last night is never acceptable, but in injury time, when the game is won is just ridiculous.

I'm dreading one of those pricks going through Ben Arfa on Sunday.

I haven't seen the Wilkinson/Dembele challenge, but the ref did only give a yellow card for it.

But I will always defend Shawcross over the Ramsay challenge. The histrionics over that challenge were totally down to Arsenal's whining and scouse victimology.

I have seen video of Shawcross deserving a red card for chopping down Adebayor (?) and I don't defend him over that, but I've always felt Shawcross was an innocent party in the Ramsay injury.

I don't think we should take the strong tackles out of the game, it would ruin it. However you can still tackle strongly without being reckless, the reckless challengers where they don't have full control must be given a heavier punishment and this might prevent them happening.

Not see last nights challenge but I did not see much wrong with the Shawcross challenge on Ramsey.

SkyNews and SSN are reporting that Titus Bramble has been arrested on suspicion of rape.

Shawcross was not totally innocent in that challenge. The other one you refer to was far more dangerous, but there was an element of risk on the Ramsey one. What wound me up more about that was Pulis and his cronies saying "he's not that type of player". He was a dirty get at United and Stoke have built on that. Defend him all you like, if that challenge had been on someone at a small club like Carlos Tevez or Wayne Bridge, the reaction would've been the same.

Thats a first, a player making the news for the wrong reasons AFTER leaving our lot at St James's.

Have Citeh had 2 other players injured with broken legs in the last few years? I don't think they have, so it'd be pretty difficult for Citeh to be jumping up and down about how they were being targeted by hatchetmen and not allowed to play their football if they didn't have the other incidents to whine about as well.

Arsenal did. And boy did they complain about it.

I just don't believe the reaction would've been the same with the majority of other clubs. IMO it was an unfortunate accident but these things happen in football. But the instant reaction from Arsenal players was to jump up and down over it (literally) and rush at Shawcross and the referee as though it was a clearly malicious tackle.

I don't give a **** if Shawcross is a dirty player. Every team has them. Some of them, for example Roy Keane at United or Patrick Viera at Arsenal, go on to achieve legend status while doing it. Just because Shawcross is never going to become a Keane or a Viera doesn't mean that Stoke should be banned from ever having that type of player. Being at Stoke just means that their clogger won't have many of the extra qualities that the Viera's and Keane's have, but that doesn't mean that Stoke set out to kick sides off the park.

Dont know if its been mentioned previously but wheres Fergie tonight?

And why the feck are Man Utd/Shorpe fans singing we all hate Leeds scum?

Watching Valencia vs Athletico.

And Leeds are scum, that clearly, we all hate.

But this challenge was against a Fulham player. And it isn't just one player, it's a team thing. The only reason I raised the point about Shawcross being a dirty player was due go Pulis' reaction - "he's an honest lad and not that type of player". Rubbish.

You clearly have something against Arsenal which is fine. I don't partucularly like them. I just hate the Stoke thugs.

Ah I see.



I dont like the football team either

I'll look out for him in the crowd [size=50it's live on Catalan television[/size.

Madrid are god awful to watch this year. Won 3-0 last night, thanks to one of the worst refereeing performances I've seen in a long long time, yet the crowd were still whistling.

Aupa Athletic!!!

Its live on Sky Sports 3 too,so no need to go all way over there to watch it

He was on just before kick off, 'Seer Alex Feergoosun'.

Atletico all over Valencia.

Liverpool 1-1 Northampton in Extra Time.

Liverpool 1-2 Northampton. Jacobs just scored!

Liverpool 1-2 Northampton in Extra Time!

Great to see Anderson back and Bebe make his debut. Park was excellent and Macheda did well without much luck, glad to see Owen back in the goals and Smalling looked good too.