A red card is an extreme punishment and I think it often exceeds the crime.
Greenwood retaliated with a forearm push on Sunday after being clattered in the chops by a Saints forward. No video ref and he was wrongly given his marching orders by the referee after 28 minutes.
To play 52 minutes with only 12 men is a killer! The game is spoilt.
As a spectator I don’t want to pay good money to watch a mockery of a game.
It was the same with the Hull K R v Wigan cup semi. Was it really a red card? Did it really warrant it?
Nobody should be given a red card when the force of the tackle bounces off the ball into the face of the ball carrier. It should be a yellow.
I’m not saying a red card should never be given but only when a player is being over aggressive or vicious. We can all think of players in the past who have crossed the line.
When the judiciary meet to dish out suspensions they can make them severe so make any thugs think twice.
Have 10 match suspensions if necessary then we spectators can regularly watch 13 v 13 ( apart from the odd yellow card) and get our moneys worth.

The problem is the referee saw it as an elbow to the head, clearly indicated by his signal and has ben said you can hear him say the same on commentary. If one of your players is elbowed to the head, would you want the transgressor to remain on the pitch? According to the MRP the referee got it wrong in the eyes of the MRP, much as he did sinbinning a player for a classic cannonball tackle.

I agree, and I think most will that a lot of this is OTT. It is a reaction to the lawsuit and the powers that be becoming overly cautious.

Admittedly I’ve only seen it on a small phone on a tweet but so reserve the right to retract this with a better view, the Lees tackle appeared to be very similar to the Shorrocks one, Knowles also appeared to punch Greenwood.

Under the current rules I’m very surprised all 3 didn’t get red cards and even more surprised Knowles didn’t cop a ban.

When you see footage from a different angle Knowles grabs Greenwoods arm, there’s no punch whatsoever.

Morley Cassidy incedent was nearly 25 years ago

Now that would be a case for a red card! Remember it like yesterday. Pavilion end about 10m short of the halfway line. Revenge for Morley hitting McCormick I think.

Imagine the reaction nowadays

Doubt he’d play again!

Yes i remember it like yesterday Cassidy did not even get put on report! He nearly took Morley's head off! he should have gone to prison for a few months never mind a few games suspension!

Knowing the disciplinary he'd get a caution.

It’s on a par with Barrie McDermotts elbow on Paul Sironen

Or Bobby Goulding on Barrie Mac.

or Diesel on Kelvin (broke his jaw)

One for the more mature fans aka grumpy old barstewards.
Steve Brehney on Bill Ashurst!!

Hepworth on Tyrer at Wembley - the most blatant you will ever see

At Wakefield IIRC.

It was! I was there! And we won against the odds.

Don’t remember that one Brian but I remember Jim Mills on Bill Ashurst at Widnes. I think Ashurst had just come back from Australia. Mills attacked Ashurst form behind. Off the field it would have been gbh.

Agreed.

How Wille Mason got away with elbowing Sean Long I'll never know..... apart from it was played in Australia.......

Bill Ashurst's headbutt on Andy Goodway was pretty blatant



That was the most bizarre one I've every seen - came out of retirement to play, I think he came on as a sub and promptly headbutted Goodway at the PTB . Must of thought he was playing back in his prime when that stuff was allowed !!

On that subject just found an interesting article about Bill here .... https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gen ... 17196.html

On that subject just found an interesting article about Bill here .... https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gen ... 17196.html

I remember the Mills on Ashurst slightly differently. I was in the front of the stands with my dad, about 20 yards fron the action. Ashurst was tackled by a Widnes player a lying on his front. Mills was kneeling near his head and repeatedly gave him a barrage of about 5 blows to his head which shot backwards each time. It was absolutely vicious. It was horrible and I couldn’t believe what I was witnessing. Ashurst was unconscious and carried off on a stretcher and Mills was sent off immediately.
Made Cassidy seem like a pussycat!

I remember one at Central Park. I think it was Jeff Grayshon. He calmly walked out of the defensive line, floored a Wigan player then walked off the pitch before the ref had a chance to show him the red card.

I remember standing in the crowd thinking wtf just happened.

Yes, and we never even got a penalty!!
One of the reasons I really hope Wakefield beat Cas tonight and relegate them.

A couple of years ago I was in a bar in Tenerife (Tanyo's) and got chatting to a bloke in a Workington vest. Turned out he was an ex player - Billy Pattinson (just before my time) who told us in great detail how Bill Ashurst's elbow had broken his jaw.