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| Off the back of the article about his future. What do we reckon will happen. I imagine we’re at a bit of a stalemate as Wire will rightfully so want a fee for him and I imagine we’ll be trying to broker the best deal that’s not to taxing. If the rumours a true he’s not welcome back at Wire but the way he’s playing most other SL clubs must be keeping an eye on things. Would we be willing to pay the rest of his deal off to sign him? I’m not sure we would to be fsir
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| I’d be amazed if we paid a fee. I think we’ll see a game of who will blink first and it shouldn’t be us. They gave him a big contract a couple of years ago and by all accounts him and Powell aren’t best mates. They need that cap space before they can move on to other targets. We can move on whenever we like.
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| The rumour is he’s one of if not the highest paid centre in the league and he doesn’t seem keen on playing for Warrington again, nor does Powell want him. They’d be stupid to jeopardise the chance of him leaving by asking for a fee.
I think he’s been a good addition to the side and want him to stay but I’m not sure he warrants being a top earner.
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"The rumour is he’s one of if not the highest paid centre in the league and he doesn’t seem keen on playing for Warrington again, nor does Powell want him. They’d be stupid to jeopardise the chance of him leaving by asking for a fee.
I think he’s been a good addition to the side and want him to stay but I’m not sure he warrants being a top earner.'"
I think there’s a chance they’ll have to pay him up if him and Powell can’t work together. I don’t think Wigan will have him on a deal like that but if Wire want him off the cap and nobody is prepared to take his contract on, they may need to pay him off to the tune of any shortfall in his salary. I’m not not sure how these things work in terms of their salary cap mind.
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| He’s shaping up to be a great signing so far in a position that traditionally we struggle to produce in this country.
To replace him with similar quality we would have to look at the NRL and use a quota spot, which pushes up his value.
He’s been one of our most effective players so far in 2023 so can command a big wage, but I think it’s highly unlikely he returns to Warrington unless they change coach and even then I think it’s unlikely.
I expect we will have to pay a nominal fee for him, but he would be worth it.
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| Yeah you could see him signing for an "undisclosed" fee to save Wire's blushes so they could say they got something for him.
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| King is still under contract with Wire wont they have to pay him to release him and still be penalised on cap.Best senario is Wigan keep him on loan with Wire paying some of his salary.Wire dont want him Wigan do win win situation ,by all accounts he is liking it at Wigan.
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| It’s a tricky one
So King is currently on a massive salary far above what Wigan would pay a centre.
He’s only on loan as Wire are contributing to his salary.
King is due this large salary one way or another for the next 2 years. I don’t blame the lad one bit.
Initially I thought he was out of contract next year, so another 12 month loan on same circumstance would have made sense.
Unsure what will happen now.
If I’m a Warrington fan, given how well King is playing at Wigan. I’d either want him back at Wire or organise a move that he goes somewhere else and not a big rival in Wigan.
Centres is Wires worst position and King is performing a lot better than Ratchford or Ma’tautia. I wouldn’t be surprised if they signed Gildart.
But if the relationship with Powell can’t be sorted we may benefit.
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| Quote ="NSW"It’s a tricky one
So King is currently on a massive salary far above what Wigan would pay a centre.
He’s only on loan as Wire are contributing to his salary.
King is due this large salary one way or another for the next 2 years. I don’t blame the lad one bit.
Initially I thought he was out of contract next year, so another 12 month loan on same circumstance would have made sense.
Unsure what will happen now.
If I’m a Warrington fan, given how well King is playing at Wigan. I’d either want him back at Wire or organise a move that he goes somewhere else and not a big rival in Wigan.
Centres is Wires worst position and King is performing a lot better than Ratchford or Ma’tautia. I wouldn’t be surprised if they signed Gildart.
But if the relationship with Powell can’t be sorted we may benefit.'"
If they did want him back, they probably best stop abusing him when they play us
I doubt we’ll ever find out the ins and outs of any deal for him to come here permanently but I’m confident he’ll be here in 2024 and beyond.
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| I think it's a lot simpler than all the rumour-mongers are making out... King had a bit of an attitude and inertia to change after getting into a comfort zone at Warrington. Powell sent him out to a different environment to freshen him up and see how he matures in new scenery. If he develops into the style of player Powell is after then I'm sure he'll be back at Warrington. If he doesn't (irrespective of attitude) he'll probably continue to develop into the 'Steve Price-style' centre as a big and strong runner with an offload game, in which case I'd guess he'll be shipped on to whichever club pays him the most and offers the longest contract. My guess would be Huddersfield in that case, being a local lad and all.
I think far too much is being made of the King-Powell 'never the twain shall meet' rumours.
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| Quote ="easyWire"I think it's a lot simpler than all the rumour-mongers are making out... King had a bit of an attitude and inertia to change after getting into a comfort zone at Warrington. Powell sent him out to a different environment to freshen him up and see how he matures in new scenery. If he develops into the style of player Powell is after then I'm sure he'll be back at Warrington. If he doesn't (irrespective of attitude) he'll probably continue to develop into the 'Steve Price-style' centre as a [ubig and strong runner with an offload game,[/u in which case I'd guess he'll be shipped on to whichever club pays him the most and offers the longest contract. My guess would be Huddersfield in that case, being a local lad and all.
I think far too much is being made of the King-Powell 'never the twain shall meet' rumours.'"
Thats exactly what he is, he's never going to be anything different.
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| Quote ="easyWire"I think it's a lot simpler than all the rumour-mongers are making out... King had a bit of an attitude and inertia to change after getting into a comfort zone at Warrington. Powell sent him out to a different environment to freshen him up and see how he matures in new scenery. If he develops into the style of player Powell is after then I'm sure he'll be back at Warrington. If he doesn't (irrespective of attitude) he'll probably continue to develop into the 'Steve Price-style' centre as a big and strong runner with an offload game, in which case I'd guess he'll be shipped on to whichever club pays him the most and offers the longest contract. My guess would be Huddersfield in that case, being a local lad and all.
I think far too much is being made of the King-Powell 'never the twain shall meet' rumours.'"
You think wrong. When Powell came in he created a major rift in a bit of an attempt to assert dominance.
King was on one side of that rift.
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| Quote ="jonh"You think wrong. When Powell came in he created a major rift in a bit of an attempt to assert dominance.
King was on one side of that rift.'"
What you mean is, a new coach came in, told a bunch of underachieving egos that they had to pull their fingers out or else, and a group of those egos basically saw their s and behaved like petulant children and have now been moved on, leading to a massive upturn in results.
So it wasn't really a rift, just a fella doing his job correctly.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"What you mean is, a new coach came in, told a bunch of underachieving egos that they had to pull their fingers out or else, and a group of those egos basically saw their s and behaved like petulant children and have now been moved on, leading to a massive upturn in results.
So it wasn't really a rift, just a fella doing his job correctly.'"
A massive upturn in results? You almost got relagated!!
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"What you mean is, a new coach came in, told a bunch of underachieving egos that they had to pull their fingers out or else, and a group of those egos basically saw their s and behaved like petulant children and have now been moved on, leading to a massive upturn in results.
So it wasn't really a rift, just a fella doing his job correctly.'"
Not sure how it was said but coming from Powell I can imagine it was not the nicest of telling off. Who really is he to tell anyone only thing he’s won is the LL shield and chocked in a final
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"What you mean is, a new coach came in, told a bunch of underachieving egos that they had to pull their fingers out or else, and a group of those egos basically saw their s and behaved like petulant children and have now been moved on, leading to a massive upturn in results.
So it wasn't really a rift, just a fella doing his job correctly.'"
I don’t disagree, however the post I was responding to was saying there isn’t any issue between Powell and King…I don’t believe that is the case.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"A massive upturn in results? You almost got relagated!!'"
So, this season, after finally ridding the squad of all the underachieving egos and having a pre-season with players who actually want to be there, we haven't improved, or have I imagined 9 wins from 11?
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| Quote ="jonh"I don’t disagree, however the post I was responding to was saying there isn’t any issue between Powell and King…I don’t believe that is the case.'"
Oh, I agree that it's highly unlikely King will ever play for us while Powell is in charge.
Just a matter of how Wire manage to get the best deal for him.
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| Quote ="WWste"Not sure how it was said but coming from Powell I can imagine it was not the nicest of telling off. Who really is he to tell anyone only thing he’s won is the LL shield and chocked in a final'"
So a coach can only have authority over a squad if he's been previously successful?
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Oh, I agree that it's highly unlikely King will ever play for us while Powell is in charge.
Just a matter of how Wire manage to get the best deal for him.'"
Funny to think that the best deal might still be a financial hit for Warrington.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"So a coach can only have authority over a squad if he's been previously successful?'"
If he’s gone in swinging his d*ck around then yea. I wouldn’t put it past someone saying who are you. I didn’t know you was in the room when they had those conversations so how do you know who’s the wrong.
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| Quote ="WWste"If he’s gone in swinging his d*ck around then yea. I wouldn’t put it past someone saying who are you. I didn’t know you was in the room when they had those conversations so how do you know who’s the wrong.'"
And if any of that squad did try to say that, then they would rightly get binned. It's not like any of them had done anything to warrant lording it over the coach, whoever they was.
This was a squad that had failed badly for 3 consecutive years.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Funny to think that the best deal might still be a financial hit for Warrington.'"
Could be, but funnily enough, if he continues to do ok for you this year, then it can only make that increasingly unlikely.
Now if he was doing rubbish, then we could indeed make a bad loss
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"So, this season, after finally ridding the squad of all the underachieving egos and having a pre-season with players who actually want to be there, we haven't improved, or have I imagined 9 wins from 11?'"
You got rid of them last season and you were saved from relegation by a very poor Toulouse side.
If you mean you'd like to ignore an entire season in order to make your narrative work, then go ahead. The rest of us prefer not to change history.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"You got rid of them last season and you were saved from relegation by a very poor Toulouse side.
If you mean you'd like to ignore an entire season in order to make your narrative work, then go ahead. The rest of us prefer not to change history.'"
At what point did Cooper join you and King join Huddersfield?. Also several other players left at various other points, along with players coming in at random moments.
Even you would admit that wouldn't make for an ideal scenario for a side to be producing results?
The point is, that last season was very much the definitive 'transition' that most sensible Wire fans knew was needed after the previous deterioration under Price - if it meant weeding out and upsetting the egos, then so be it. Like I say, the improvement in form is there to see so far, so, for the moment, Powell looks vindicated in how he went about things.
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