Interesting stats in the link below. Bearing in mind we have the best attack in the league by some distance at this point in the season it's quite remarkable that we are where are. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/the-supe ... ely-57695/ Penalties Conceded 2022 (so far) Saints 170 Toulouse 167 Salford 165 Wakefield 155 Catalans 153 Castleford 151 Hull FC 151 Hull KR 149 Huddersfield 145 Leeds 139 Warrington 127 Wigan 124 Edited to conceded as the article is worded incorrectly. Still gives us something to talk about.

Interesting stats in the link below. Bearing in mind we have the best attack in the league by some distance at this point in the season it's quite remarkable that we are where are. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/the-supe ... ely-57695/ Penalties Conceded 2022 (so far) Saints 170 Toulouse 167 Salford 165 Wakefield 155 Catalans 153 Castleford 151 Hull FC 151 Hull KR 149 Huddersfield 145 Leeds 139 Warrington 127 Wigan 124 Edited to conceded as the article is worded incorrectly. Still gives us something to talk about.

Are we slightly naive? Or are certain other teams more cynically coached? (Not necessarily a criticism.)

Would love to see a league table of penalties conceded if one exists.

Yes, that would be an interesting stat.

Strangely Saints were top and we were bottom of that stat as well a while back, don't know if that's still the case, it was published on one of the fb RL pages

Surely that is the wrong way round and is actually penalties conceded? Toulouse seem to get absolutely hammered when I watch them to the point I don't think they have enough ball to get 167 penalties.

Exactly what I was thinking. If I were to guess who would concede the most penalties, Saints would be my No.1

A bias thing that though as I would go the complete opposite

Ha ha no chance. I would love to see the stats for the six again conceded, we would be top by a country mile. And IMO the refs have definitely clamped down on us in terms of offsides, our infamous line speed has led to many penalties conceded.

One of our weaknesses as a team is our ill-discipline, again just my thoughts.

I usually spend most games watching you seeing you get away with forward passes, offside, moving off the mark and getting cheap penalties when you need them to get you out of trouble. I normally watch Wigan games thinking we've been given less than nothing.

Completely a bias thing. I reckon every fan of every club thinks they are hard done by.

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club-stats It is penalties conceded, Saints have most, Wigan least.

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club-stats It is penalties conceded, Saints have most, Wigan least.

Typical dirty cheating Wigan with the refs in their pocket.

Thought as much, bound to concede penalties with such aggressive defence.

I don't see you every week of course, but genuinely surprised that you're the most penalised side.

The top sides don't usually get penalised as much because they tend to have more of the ball. Be interested to know if that figure includes 6 again penalties because most Saints fans seem to say they get hammered on those.

Really? My only surprise is that you are surprised



I say most games that I am convinced we love to practise defending with how many penalties we give away.

I think it's as you say, you have a very physical aggressive defence which Woolf knows will likely lead to a few more penalties than he would ideally like but he takes it, because he backs his team to be able to defend those penalties when they have to. And, most often, he's right. Sometimes teams (and individual players, of course) give away more penalties than others because they are undisciplined, and sometimes it's just because they put themselves in those positions more often than others. A team that flies up quickly off the line every tackle is going to get caught offside a few times more than others. Similarly, when Sean O'Loughlin was young and opposition fans complained he did too many high tackles and was therefore "dirty" it didn't bother me. He was a hardworking defender who typically made more tackles than most players so he was bound to get caught out going higher more often than other players who only made a third of the tackles he did.

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Cheers Brian, edited the thread title now.

Bloody useless RL journalists.

Some interesting stats there. I see Saints are worst on errors too, but I suppose if you see more of the ball than your opponents... Wigan in a decent mid-table spot there.

I loved that Toulouse are top on 40/20's with 8! (who's been kicking them? Corey Norman? He hasn't been there that long, has he?). Wigan have 2, Saints none (bit surprising).

I think what the stats do tell us is that for all we complain about poor discipline, giving away 6-agains is killing Wigan, etc, the truth is that compared to other teams we are pretty good. We are not a dirty side, and our overall discipline is good. We appear to be bottom the league on yellow cards, those stats have down for only 2, but surely that can't be right? Mago got one last week,surely we've had more than one other all season. Saints on 11, Dirty Leeds on 13, Castleford...

I look forward to these salient facts being reflected in future Sky coverage...