Another old boy on way back

Regards EW

I hope we're not taking back damaged goods in the same vein as ST, otherwise a positive signing I'd posit.

Does that confirm Gelling as gone?

Terrible decision by the club, another NRL failure 'due to injuries' and we resign him! Totally underwhelmed by this and we will probably lose Gelling to boot.

I’d hope he’s in addition to keeping Gelling but we’ll see.

I’ve never understood the stick Sarginson got from a section of our support. He’s an excellent utility back option and whilst I’m also fed up of us resigning every ex player that becomes available, we do need a player like Sarginson.

If he’s a replacement for Gelling then I’m underwhelmed, as an addition to the current squad then he’s a good signing. He provides cover and competition for the whole back line.

Assuming that his injury is now fine and he won't be sat on the side lines for the majority of 2018

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Not one ex-player has come back and been anywhere near their previous level. Most are shadows of the player they were the first time. A disastrous strategy that has handcuffed the squad and salary cap. Lessons not being learned.

Whoever does our scouting and recruitment should resign.

It is nonsense to argue that because other returnees have failed that Sarginson will therefore fail. That argument defies any kind of logic. Surely each case has to be looked at in isolation.

Sam Tomkins has been injured, but showed good form towards the end of the season. He may move back to the halves and who knows, may provide the answer there.

Joe Burgess had a long spell playing out of position and suffered because the lads playing wing did well and didn't deserve to be dropped. But it affected Budgie badly. I wouldn't write him off yet. He needs a full season on the left wing before we can judge whether he has been a success.

Joel and Tommy have been poor. Joel because he hasn't been fully fit since he returned. I believe that he is still a good player. Tommy may do well in a different role.

So it may be too early to write off the returnees. Dan Sarginson was one of the main reasons we won in 2016. Do people have such short memories? I'd have though that at least he deserves a second chance. I don't blame him at all for moving from sunny Wigan to the Gold Coast, I mean, wouldn't you?

The joke club of Super League, Lenagan needs to sell up to somebody who has the vision to move us forward, i remember around the time he bought the club, an Oxford united fan came on here or the other site and forewarned us that this would happen, complete laughing stock, Ah Van would have been a better signing, at he can kick goals

If only he'd won something like the Super League, Challenge Cup or World Club Challenge then he'd be recognised as a good Chairman. I agree with you that we are the laughing stock, as this losing streak extends beyond the last decade it's getting totally ridiculous. Saints must be laughing their heads off at us after the success under McManus in the last five years. Wakefield, Salford, Huddersfield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR, Warrington and Catalans too.

Lenegan OUT.

I agree and I think that would be Radlinski. In this case if Sarginson does come back at his previous level, he will still be garbage. Can't pass and can't tackle.

Hardly garbage was he?

You don’t get selected for England if you’re garbage. You don’t light up a Grand Final if you’re garbage. I prefer him at fullback to centre but that’s the beauty of him. You can play him anywhere across the back line and he’ll do you a job.

It’s just crazy isn’t it?!

The Oxford United fans told us so...ha ha! I don’t know how much involvement he’s had with them but I doubt we’re in the same boat. Maybe they aren’t happy but they’ve not won every major honour in the game over Lenagans time at the club so maybe they’ll have a point being vexed.

It really frustrates me when I hear anyone question Lenagans position as owner of this club. The people who do that should let their minds drift back to the 2005 and 2006 seasons and have a think what they prefer.

He is rubbish. How he got selected for England I will never know. I doubt it will happen again unless Wane gets the England job. I was even more surprised when he got a gig with an Aussie club but I am not surprised he's been told by them he'd struggle to get a game with them going forward. I am sure they are as grateful we took him off their hands as I was when he went to join then. When he left no one gave a monkey's and for good reason. He is just speedier version of Gelling in that he has no rugby brain. He passes to his winger about once a season and his defence is awful.

Meanwhile Les Cats sign this player [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/42323094[/url

He was garbage and still is garbage, we couldn't wait to off load him when the NRL came sniffing around and the supporters were glad to see him go. If you call putting a kick through for the winger to score as lighting up a grand final then yes lets credit him for that however his constant errors and total lack of creativity in games throughout his tenure with Wigan would indicate that one swallow definitely doesn't make a summer.
There has been some garbage playing for England over the years, why do you think we are only 3rd ranked in the world.

Not bad for someone who can't pass or tackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laWP1hfuFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJGcfiNXhU Someone else has said that he's injury prone, I don't recall him missing that many games for Wigan although I must admit the shoulder injury is a big concern. What's someone signing a fullback got to do with Wigan signing a centre. Castleford have signed Corey Ashton and Jamie Ellis!! Also Catalan have released half their team so had plenty salary cap space available.

Not bad for someone who can't pass or tackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laWP1hfuFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJGcfiNXhU Someone else has said that he's injury prone, I don't recall him missing that many games for Wigan although I must admit the shoulder injury is a big concern. What's someone signing a fullback got to do with Wigan signing a centre. Castleford have signed Corey Ashton and Jamie Ellis!! Also Catalan have released half their team so had plenty salary cap space available.

I'm with you. Anyone saying he is garbage needs to give their head a wobble.

For some folk you are either good or garbage, no in between. Still that's the internet I suppose. Extremes of thought masquerade as opinion.

I don't think either of us are saying he is the next Eric Ashton or Dean Bell, but for heavens sake no way is he 'garbage', just an above average pro who will put a shift in for the cause.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Not bad for someone who can't pass or tackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laWP1hfuFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJGcfiNXhU Someone else has said that he's injury prone, I don't recall him missing that many games for Wigan although I must admit the shoulder injury is a big concern. What's someone signing a fullback got to do with Wigan signing a centre. Castleford have signed Corey Ashton and Jamie Ellis!! Also Catalan have released half their team so had plenty salary cap space available.'" If you are on about the PNG captain who's signing I pointed out he can play across the back line and unless you know what he is being paid, which you don't, it does not follow they have released players just to sign him. They fact were poor last season has probably got far more to do with it. The fact you think we have signed a centre anyway brought a smile to my face. As to two clips on YouTube, a stopped clock is right twice a day. There isn't enough bandwidth to show all the mistakes.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Not bad for someone who can't pass or tackle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laWP1hfuFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJGcfiNXhU Someone else has said that he's injury prone, I don't recall him missing that many games for Wigan although I must admit the shoulder injury is a big concern. What's someone signing a fullback got to do with Wigan signing a centre. Castleford have signed Corey Ashton and Jamie Ellis!! Also Catalan have released half their team so had plenty salary cap space available.'" If you are on about the PNG captain who's signing I pointed out he can play across the back line and unless you know what he is being paid, which you don't, it does not follow they have released players just to sign him. They fact were poor last season has probably got far more to do with it. The fact you think we have signed a centre anyway brought a smile to my face. As to two clips on YouTube, a stopped clock is right twice a day. There isn't enough bandwidth to show all the mistakes.

Did his subsequent performances not give you any hints? He had a blinder against Australia

Blimey. The Scrooge wannabes are out in force already & it's still 2 weeks to gluttony. Let alone 2 months to the season start. If this time next year we're looking forward to playing Barrow & Whitehaven then I'll concede being a happy-clapper isn't all it's made out to be, but FFS you lot, lighten up.

Do the more numerous poor performances he served up for Wigan not give you any hints? Or are we about to start rewriting history?

DaveO I honestly think you would moan if we signed jesus, citing him having 3 days off with injury

Though we do have a bad track record with signing injured players that doesn't mean new wigan policy should be to sign only new players with no bruises.

There may be a few clubs in SL with a better centre than Gells or Sarge but not many. I don't think there is a SL club with 3 centre options better than gilly, gells and sarge. The whole of the Wigan club owes a big season to the fans for sticking with them through the past 2 years. We also owe them some patience considering previous success in spite of ridiculous runs of bad luck with regards to injuries, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that they really do but their bodies on the line, especially considering how many must have gone beyond usually pain barriers due to the people we were missing.

Wigan may have played a safe option here, if Gells is 50/50 and then sarge signs elsewhere then we are left with 1 starting centre and a prospect. If the past 2 years have taught us anything is the importance of strength in depth. There may be many squads who can match us 13v13 but I don't think anybody can match us for a full squad.

I'm ok with wigan playing it safe with signings so long as we see something more on the pitch.

he is terrible