ok thats it i am sick and tired of paying good money to watch crap, yes crap because that is what i have just watched, 20 -0 up and then total capitulation i am ashamed to be a wigan fan.
in 45 years of watching wigan i feel that was just about the worst performance i have ever seen, take lockers off and we have absolutely nothing, nobody at all on the pitch to tell the kids what they are doing wrong and worst of all senior players wandering about the pitch like they just don't care.
and i don't want to here it "it will benefit the kids in two years time" my money is being wasted now and the club doesn't seem to care.
if as rumors go tomkins is crocked get rid now and sign someone with a bit of nous because if we don't we will get hammered a lot more this season.

We have some amazingly talented kids but you can't expect them to put months and months of consistency in. They are still learning the game. One or two kids can be carried but too many for too long and the wheels will fall off.
Our problem is too many injuries - AGAIN.

People on Facebook saying "Wane out" when we have the world club challenge and the grand final trophy in our cabinet is embarrassing.

Season already a success with us winning the WCC IMO.

Over the next few weeks we'll get a proper full back playing, 2 proper centres and our best player over the last 2 years (Bateman) and we can have a go at both trophies still on offer.

Only 4 points behind top 4 with plenty of rounds left.

Zac Hardaker

I take it you don't recall us being beaten by a collective 145-0 over two games against Leeds and Saints? We are going through a terrible spell with injuries and still competing

Can someone block this thread.
I know people joke about wiganers being thick but a portion of our fan base are proving it. We are world and super league champions have a team full of kids and are only 4 points off the top 4.
No coach would do as well as Shaun Wane if their team was in a similar predicament.

Get yesterdays programme, if you actually went and bought one....... Go down the squad list, and place a nice little tick next to the players not available yesterday..... Then turn your pc off and go for a calming walk.... Oh, and we are Wigan...

Good golly talk about over reactions. I could understand people's frustrations to a point last year because we didn't have much previous to fall back on of us being decimated with injuries and playing poor rugby but surely last years grand final win has taught everyone a huge lesson and made people realise where our problems lie again currently.

If we don't get something resembling a full team out soon then of course the season is in grave danger of just falling away but then we just go again next year and take the positives.

If we could put the below team out by the end of June then we still have every chance of Grand Final and Challenge cup success-

Tomkins
Davies/Marshall Gelling Gildart Burgess
Williams Leuluai
Sutton Powell Nuuausala
Bateman Farrell Lockers

Tautai Tomkins Isa McIlorum

It'll give anybody a game.

Bye

Bit harsh post this, i would take what you have in an instance in comparison, least Wane shows passion were our coach seems to show contempt.

Normally it's people getting up every five minutes for a pint or a pee that drives me bonkers when i cant see the match properly . Yesterday it was people heading home just after half time . Bonkers.

2 busses , 2 trains and 2 flights to get there and back yesterday , not the best result but Hey Ho that's Rugby League and the roller-coaster that is Wigan Warriors

Regards , EW

Agree,
I was talking to a couple of Saints supporting friends and said much the same. Go back to around 2003 - 2004 when we had Brown, Robinson, Aspinwall, O'Loughlin, Tickle etc etc and a similar thing happened. They coped well for a while but eventually fatigue, inexperience etc took over. It's a struggle, but providing we can get some bodies back in the next month or so we'll be o.k. It's going to be difficult to make the top four before the split though, so the Challenge Cup maybe the better chance this season.

I have to say you have done remarkably well to be within 4 points of a top 4 place.
Either it`s because the standard all round is poor or you have some very good youngsters coming through.
When we (Leeds) had that many injuries we just about scraped out of the wooden spoon award saved only be one class signing that kept us up.
I really do think that once you get somewhere near to a ful lteam you will take some stopping.
The danger is you leave it too late.
But don`t worry we will give you all the help we can by losing to teams like Widnes, Huddersfield and Warrington along the way.

you know, i can almost relate to the OP if i'm honest...

yes its a tad overreacting considering the circumstances, however no team should lose after attaining a 20 nil lead and to be fair Wane said this himself post-match. this mainly highlights how massive lockers is to us and why Wane wants him to carry on next year - Wane knows we have no one anywhere near ready to take his place in terms of leading by example and simply being a prescence on the pitch. Bateman is being touted as that man but again he is not near the finished article or ready for that burden yet.

it is worrying, and more importantly very upsetting after yesterdays' horrid loss BUT we do have bods back soon. the likes of Cas, Salford and Leeds haven't really had their bad patches yet and they WILL come. Hull are in theirs now, as are Catalans and Wire don't seem to be improving much. i can't see Saints playing any better than they did against us last week either.

Cas have very limited "class" cover and the benefit to other teams is that they have had so much consistency so far this season that they have rarely needed to bring other players in, so perhaps if and when that does happen (not that i am willing injury on anyone) the players coming in have big shoes to step into and it only takes one crack...

Our kids are already bloodied and doing well considering. if anything, a topsy turvy season such as it is for us at present will benefit our kids more IMO.

one gripe i do still have is that Wigan seem to think we are still good enough to go in for the kill instead of taking penalty points on offer; i can think of two games this year alone where we could have won games and we may now have been in a very different position. that needs sorting out - every minute matters!

still, onwards and upwards.

Yet no acknowledgement of the quality of the team that beat you - no surprise I suppose, apparently Trinity have never had a team that wins on merit and ability not in the whole of our 18 seasons in SL, always some excuse as to why we won blah blah blah

literally one sentence from my whole response related to yesterdays' game. of course you deserved the win. but why would i write about that when the topic relates to some bloke going about about wanting wane out and us being crap?!

That's support right there.

We'll be fine and if we're lucky enough to win anything else this year I always think of the dedication of supporters like yourself and how deserving of success that suppprt is.

My best mate used to live in London yet went home and away every single week. He sacrificed all sorts and it cost him a fortune. It was round the time we were awful as well in the mid 2000's and onwards.

You think you've got problems? You lot have a U19's and reserve team out near enough every week and still compete in games.

Swap you Tony for Shaun Wane any day of the week.

I was Mr Knee jerk reaction last season. This year is more of the same, except we are playing better rugby, even if the results aren't going our way. We had entire back line out, from 1-5, two first choice props missing, and the a full second row in Bateman and Tomkins. If you put any other team in the league in the same position with the injuries going on for so long and they are in relegation trouble, not 4 points off the top 4.

Do you think Saints beat us with their entire back line, start props and second rowers missing? Do you think Wakefield beat us with the same missing? And Wigan at near full strength? I don't.

We should have a much stronger idea of whether we will make the play offs after the next round of fixtures. We play Hull FC and Wakefield play Salford. If ourselves and Salford win then the league would read:

4. Wakefield 20
5. Hull FC 19
6. Wigan 18

Which looks fairly manageable to me given that we play them each again in the Super 8s. However, if Wakefield and Hull FC win then I really couldn't see us pulling it back:

4. Wakefield 22
5. Hull FC 21
6. Wigan 16

Despite all that, you weren't too shabby last season.

Think the Challenge Cup has always been the main aim this season and Waney will have one eye on the next round when deciding who plays and when.

Having said that, think it's too early to give up on the play offs just yet and with a bit of luck on the injury front, we'll be in the mix so to speak.

He's quite is quite happy at Cas playing with the team who are top of the league and playing an attractive brand of rugby.

i would break the the bank for tony gigot, perhaps i did overreact after a terrible result but mark this we are only a couple of losses from the worst season for a very long time.

We may be a couple of losses from our worst season in a long time but we have to look at the reasons for it. I know it's an easy excuse but that reason is simply injuries, the sheer decimation of the squad, particularly in the backs is unprecidented. We would struggle to improve the squad within the cap unless players are leaving.

Gigot is a full back or centre. We have Tomkins & Escare for full back and Gelling & Gildart at centre with decent cover in Burgess and Bateman. Imo Gigot would be a very poor use of cap space unless players are leaving. If we're are looking to break the bank for anyone I'd sacrifice either Gelling or Gildart for a goal kicking centre but I can't see how else we could realistically improve whilst staying within the cap.

We just need to ride this out and hope we aren't too far from the top 4 when/if we get somewhere near a full squad. One thing we can be immensely proud of is the way the youngsters and squad players have filled in and fought for the club. History has proven that it is rare for a youngster to come into the team and play consistently well for a sustained period, they fade quite quickly and this is beginning to show for us now. There are simply too many of them having to play and are having to play too many games.

I would guess Wane's full strength side is something like:

Tomkins, Burgess, Gelling, Gildart, Manfredi, Williams, TL, FPN, MM, Flower, Farrell, Bateman, SOL, Clubb, Sutton, Tomkins, Powell. 9 of those were missing last week and a similar number have been missing for all but the first month of the season, when incidentally we were playing quite well.