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| I just want to clarify my understanding of the offside rule when a team kicks forward. Firstly let me say that Wigan deserved to concede the last try because Bowen made no attempt to catch the ball. However it seemed to me that Walsh was offside as he was in front of Wilkin when he kicked the ball and then encroached well within the 10m zone. Surely that is offside technically? Why was that not mentioned by the commentary team or spotted by the video ref?
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks" Why was that not mentioned by the commentary team ?'"
I'd bet that Clarke would have spotted it and made everyone aware of it had he been in the commentary box
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| Quote ="Northern Boys"I'd bet that Clarke would have spotted it and made everyone aware of it had he been in the commentary box
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If he had, he would have been drowned out by the joyous whoops of Stevo, Eddie and biscuit legs...
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| I don't think Walsh was deemed as in front of the kicker on the video replays. If he had he would have been offside as he was well within the 10.
The try wouldn't have been scored if Bowen had even jumped though, let alone catch the thing. No idea what he was thinking there.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"I don't think Walsh was deemed as in front of the kicker on the video replays. If he had he would have been offside as he was well within the 10.
The try wouldn't have been scored if Bowen had even jumped though, let alone catch the thing. No idea what he was thinking there.'"
He clearly wasn't 'deemed' to be in front of the kicker but I have watched the replay several times and he is clearly in front and therefore offside!
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| I thought you were going to mention when Percival was 5 metres offside and wasn't even penalised for it.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I thought you were going to mention when Percival was 5 metres offside and wasn't even penalised for it.'"
Apparently that is called 'good line speed'.
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| No one knows the rules any more. Not the officials, not the players, not the fans. Over the winter, all the officials need to get together and have a strong look at the rule book. They have to make sure that everyone is on the same page regarding the interpretation and application of every single rule in the game. Far too often we have seen one decision given one week and a completely different decision given the week after. E.g... The obstruction rule regarding Castleford in the last couple of weeks, the knock-on rule and the grounding rule. These are all instances when the interpretation has been different every week. As mentioned above, you could say that Walsh was offside, but look back to the end of July when we played Hull away and the same happened with Sam Powell which also resulted in a try.
I am not saying we were cheated last night, because we weren't. But the officiating does need a giant makeover in the off season.
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| Was the Powell one the 'two kicks' one, where he eventually went in under the posts? That was never a try. And the one Hampshire (?) scored after a long-range break and kick down the right wing was miles offside too.
So yeah, a long hard look at the way the laws are applied is needed.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"No idea what he was thinking there.'"
He was thinking of bottling a big game again.
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| Has he ever been anything but awful against Saints? He was shocking in the Grand Final too.
Strange because he always seems to play well against Leeds.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Has he ever been anything but awful against Saints? He was shocking in the Grand Final too.
Strange because he always seems to play well against Leeds.'"
I thought he was having a great game until Walsh did that "one on one" on him and the Saints fans started to get on his back, seemed to lose confidence after that and never looked like catching that last kick.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"I just want to clarify my understanding of the offside rule when a team kicks forward. Firstly let me say that Wigan deserved to concede the last try because Bowen made no attempt to catch the ball. However it seemed to me that Walsh was offside as he was in front of Wilkin when he kicked the ball and then encroached well within the 10m zone. Surely that is offside technically? Why was that not mentioned by the commentary team or spotted by the video ref?'"
I'll see your Offside and raise you a missed obstruction two tackles before Wigan s first score, a pass flung backwards called forwards, a knock on penalised as interference, several high shots and a cameo for the best milking of a penalty by o loughlin by literally dropping the ball on LMS'S head.
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| I can't believe (some) Wigan fans are blaming the ref. You had all the possession. You played the better rugby.
If you can't win under such circumstances you really only have yourselves to blame.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"I can't believe (some) Wigan fans are blaming the ref. You had all the possession. You played the better rugby.
If you can't win under such circumstances you really only have yourselves to blame.'"
Not blaming the ref at all. This thread was about clarification of the offside rule. Now run along back to your own forum. Maybe someone there will be interested in your posts.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"Not blaming the ref at all. This thread was about clarification of the offside rule. Now run along back to your own forum. Maybe someone there will be interested in your posts.'"
Post-match derby debates are what the Internet was made for. Learn to be a little more tolerant.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Post-match derby debates are what the Internet was made for. Learn to be a little more tolerant.
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Yes I am all for debate but if you want to talk about something else then start a new thread instead of hijacking another one.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I'll see your Offside and raise you a missed obstruction two tackles before Wigan s first score, a pass flung backwards called forwards, a knock on penalised as interference, several high shots and a cameo for the best milking of a penalty by o loughlin by literally dropping the ball on LMS'S head.'"
Not sure about the first one, I'll have to watch it again, but on the forward pass and interference you are dead wrong. You simply cannot deny that pass was forward, it was as clear as day on the replay. Roby got penalised for having his hand in at the ptb, again if you watch the replay it's clear as day, his hand is on the ball. Lockers definitely milked that penalty but I don't blame him one bit. The onus is on LMS to clear the ruck, Lockers doesn't have to suffer a slow and awkward ptb/pass by maneuvering round him when he can just as well take a penalty. Only LMS is to blame for that.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Post-match derby debates are what the Internet was made for. Learn to be a little more tolerant.
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Yeah, but in your case only when Saints have won.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I'll see your Offside and raise you a missed obstruction two tackles before Wigan s first score, a pass flung backwards called forwards, a knock on penalised as interference, several high shots and a cameo for the best milking of a penalty by o loughlin by literally dropping the ball on LMS'S head.'"
Percival being more offside than I can recall a player being this season?
As for the forward pass. Passed it behind the line, caught it a few metres in front. But it went backwards Sir honest. Momentum only does so much.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"Yes I am all for debate but if you want to talk about something else then start a new thread instead of hijacking another one.'"
What do you suggest for the title? "Whinging pie-eaters haven't a leg to stand on?" or "Poor summer yields bumper harvest of soured grapes at DW central"?
Besides. The opening question has been answered. Can't hijack a plane which has landed.
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Quote ="secondstanza"Percival being more offside than I can recall a player being this season?
As for the forward pass. Passed it behind the line, caught it a few metres in front. But it went backwards Sir honest. Momentum only does so much.'"
Watch this video and then you can come back and admit you are wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg
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As for the forward pass. Passed it behind the line, caught it a few metres in front. But it went backwards Sir honest. Momentum only does so much.'"
Watch this video and then you can come back and admit you are wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg
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| Quote ="MadDogg"I don't think Walsh was deemed as in front of the kicker on the video replays. If he had he would have been offside as he was well within the 10.
The try wouldn't have been scored if Bowen had even jumped though, let alone catch the thing. No idea what he was thinking there.'"
If Walsh wasn't then LMS certainly was .
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| Quote ="jaws1"If Walsh wasn't then LMS certainly was .'"
It was a fairly easy decision for the video ref, Turner, Roby, Masoe. Greenwood were in an offside decision but didn't follow the kick. Walsh and LMS left foot behind the line when Wilkin kicks on the line, if Wilkin delayed the kick by half a second the try would have been chalked off.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"I can't believe (some) Wigan fans are blaming the ref. You had all the possession. You played the better rugby.
If you can't win under such circumstances you really only have yourselves to blame.'"
Unfortunately, this is the truth, plain and simple.
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