I don't see the problem. All the experts from other clubs said he was injury prone and would only play about 10 games. His stats are o.k.

Wigan don't rely on our props making big metres, but they expect them to be good defensively.

Mossop and our props do that.

www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/2497

I don't see the problem. All the experts from other clubs said he was injury prone and would only play about 10 games. His stats are o.k.

Wigan don't rely on our props making big metres, but they expect them to be good defensively.

Mossop and our props do that.

www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/2497

Rouges I beg to differ on this emphasise on Wigan using the backs to clear the line, if as has been seen this season this reliance on the backs to clear the line as meant that a lot of times we have struggled to get to our own forty and if a bad kick comes in on the 5th it means the opposition team is on the front foot straight away.

This means that the opposition often seem to have 2/3 tackles left when they get to the Wigan 25, your props are not going to help much when the other team have the chance of swinging it wide for a couple of tackles.

Sarge this last few weeks as almost seemed to be taking the ball up a couple of times in each set when in our own half, the wingers have also done a shift as well, and in my opinion Joel less so ( Sarge does twice the work that Joel does trying to clear the line)

Rouges I beg to differ on this emphasise on Wigan using the backs to clear the line, if as has been seen this season this reliance on the backs to clear the line as meant that a lot of times we have struggled to get to our own forty and if a bad kick comes in on the 5th it means the opposition team is on the front foot straight away.

This means that the opposition often seem to have 2/3 tackles left when they get to the Wigan 25, your props are not going to help much when the other team have the chance of swinging it wide for a couple of tackles.

Sarge this last few weeks as almost seemed to be taking the ball up a couple of times in each set when in our own half, the wingers have also done a shift as well, and in my opinion Joel less so ( Sarge does twice the work that Joel does trying to clear the line)

If that is the sole expectation at Wigan for our props then we really are stuffed.

To name one example from the stats you provide, Mossop has made 182 carries to 338 from Alex Walmsley and 1200 metres to 2500 metres from Walmsley.

And regardless of tackles 'completed', do you rate Mossop as a good defender? Poor techinque and poor positioning for me. Those combined with poor fitness, a recipe for disaster.

If that is the sole expectation at Wigan for our props then we really are stuffed.

To name one example from the stats you provide, Mossop has made 182 carries to 338 from Alex Walmsley and 1200 metres to 2500 metres from Walmsley.

And regardless of tackles 'completed', do you rate Mossop as a good defender? Poor techinque and poor positioning for me. Those combined with poor fitness, a recipe for disaster.

Rogues I agree with the majority of your posts but on this one we couldn't be further apart in our opinions.
I genuinely don't like calling players but this guy lately is literally pinching a living.
I was seething on Friday night and if anything my anger with him has grown.
On two occasions on Firday the ball was his to take up and he turned his back on the play to let Tautai to take the ball in even though on both occasions he had already taken the ball in within the set and had in one tackle taken a good hiding. Tautai if he has anything about himself should have dropped Mossop in the dressing room after the game.
I personally don't give a fishes tit about stats particularly regarding tackles when most are two or three men tackles. Perception is reality not bloody stats that some cling to as the holy grail. Statistically Henman had a great record at Wimbledon BUT he never won the damn thing so stats are irrelevant.
Our props at the moment are embarrassing with Mossop at the top of the pile.
I would send Mossop up to Workington personally for the rest of the season in fact let him stay up there for good it just might be the making of him.
The last time I felt so angry about a player was Moran and before it was Bob Irving who was the ring leader when the players threatened to strike and on a few matches they didn't actually try and it was blatant two fingers to the spectators who had the misfortune to pay and watch a sad part of our history.
If our pack is considered small I fully understand and support the rationale in playing the ball wide as much as possible however, that doesn't mean our props shouldn't do the grunt work and leave it to Sarginson to be a one man band impersonation of a front row.
We shouldn't try and defend the indefensible.
Whilst I'm on a roll I would also send Bitcon and co to spend time at a local amateur team to realise that it is possible for a forward other than second rowers who can actually play 80 minutes in a match. Can anyone explain why it is only second rowers at our place who actually play 80 minutes every week doing a damn sight more work than our props yet never need a breather?

Rogues I agree with the majority of your posts but on this one we couldn't be further apart in our opinions.
I genuinely don't like calling players but this guy lately is literally pinching a living.
I was seething on Friday night and if anything my anger with him has grown.
On two occasions on Firday the ball was his to take up and he turned his back on the play to let Tautai to take the ball in even though on both occasions he had already taken the ball in within the set and had in one tackle taken a good hiding. Tautai if he has anything about himself should have dropped Mossop in the dressing room after the game.
I personally don't give a fishes tit about stats particularly regarding tackles when most are two or three men tackles. Perception is reality not bloody stats that some cling to as the holy grail. Statistically Henman had a great record at Wimbledon BUT he never won the damn thing so stats are irrelevant.
Our props at the moment are embarrassing with Mossop at the top of the pile.
I would send Mossop up to Workington personally for the rest of the season in fact let him stay up there for good it just might be the making of him.
The last time I felt so angry about a player was Moran and before it was Bob Irving who was the ring leader when the players threatened to strike and on a few matches they didn't actually try and it was blatant two fingers to the spectators who had the misfortune to pay and watch a sad part of our history.
If our pack is considered small I fully understand and support the rationale in playing the ball wide as much as possible however, that doesn't mean our props shouldn't do the grunt work and leave it to Sarginson to be a one man band impersonation of a front row.
We shouldn't try and defend the indefensible.
Whilst I'm on a roll I would also send Bitcon and co to spend time at a local amateur team to realise that it is possible for a forward other than second rowers who can actually play 80 minutes in a match. Can anyone explain why it is only second rowers at our place who actually play 80 minutes every week doing a damn sight more work than our props yet never need a breather?