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| From what I read, that bald lunatic who has taken over is quite clearly going to break it, possibly by the old alleged union method of notes in the shoes. The question is, will the RFL do anything about it? Or are they actually desperate for something like the Salford project to be successful?
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| I wouldn't consider him to be a lunatic; bald maybe.
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| I'd hope they're looking at changing the rules anyway, rich investors should be able to come in and make clubs competitive. If the cap is affordable to the 5 richest clubs, it's low enough IMO
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| I think it's good that someone is ruffling feathers..... And also that it's someone else.... Can you imagine the uproar if it was us doing this... Good luck to him
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Can you imagine the uproar if it was us doing this... '"
I wish! Leneghan is against raising the cap
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| Quote ="Grimmy" Leneghan is against raising the cap'"
Is he?
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| Barwick needs to get more cash out of Sky next time TV rights are negotiated. the cap needs to be at least £2.5m to semi compete with RU/NRL.
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| Quote ="Conroy"Is he?'"
Yup, he came out against it at the end of April, I'd send you the link but Wigan today is down. [url=http://www.leaguefreak.com/wigan-chairman-ian-lenagan-realistic-about-his-clubs-future-4284/Here[/url is a story about that story
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| Salford might be signing players who will play for free like Radlinski
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| Quote ="AFewPintsLater..."From what I read, that bald lunatic who has taken over is quite clearly going to break it, possibly by the old alleged union method of notes in the shoes. '"
If you're going to speculate on illegal activity at least having something better than "From what I read".
Threads like this saying X must be breaking the cap are embarrassing and based on nothing more than people making figures up in their head.
Stop it.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"If you're going to speculate on illegal activity at least having something better than "From what I read".
Threads like this saying X must be breaking the cap are embarrassing and based on nothing more than people making figures up in their head.
Stop it.'"
It's speculation when talking about Wire breaking the cap for example but to be fair when he says "From what I read" he [idid read[/i it because Koukash actually said it. A quick Google of "Koukash will break the salary cap" will give you the direct quotes.
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| Bald lunatic? Here was me thinking Dr Koukash was a successful businessman and leading race horse owner, who stepped in at the last minute to rescuse an ailing Super League club with over 140 years of history that was days away from extinction and is now doing his upmost to turn them into a competitive team rather than the “whipping boys” tag they’ve come accustomed to over the last 30 years.
Regarding your point on the salary cap, in the off-season Salford lost Matty Smith, Joel Moon, Daniel Holdsworth, Luke Pattern, Sean Gleeson, Feka Paleaaesina, Vinnie Anderson, Adam Sidlow and Luke Adamson with the only signings for this year being Martin Gleeson, Ryan McGoldrick and Darrell Griffin. Quite a saving in wages. It has been suggested that Salford are only operating at £1.1 million this season, some £700k short of the maximum.
In addition, Jodie Broughton, Ashley Gibson, Wayne Godwin, Jordan James and Adam Neal have all been confirmed as leaving this season, which totals a further reduction in wages and free’s up more salary cap space.
I’d suggest you look into the facts before embarrassing yourself again with posts like this.
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| I remember him publicly stating that he will break the salary cap, and will just take the punishments on the chin. Good on him really, it's about time someone made a stand. It really irks me that we got done for 'going against the spirit of the cap' when other clubs have since done the exact same thing with no punishment.
We should want rich investors to come into RL and project a bit of interest into the game. We should want the very best players to want to come and play here and get paid what they deserve without having to fly half way round the world to get it or leave and play Rugby Union. OK there's always got to be some kind of limit to what is spent, if it was like football then it'd just completely spiral out of control. But we're not even in line with inflation, let alone in line with our nearest competitors in the NRL and RU.
Then again it could be argued that if the cap was raised then rich investors would still break it and spend more and want the cap raising again etc etc etc.
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| I'd love Koukash to bring a court case on the SC. Given the abject failure of the SC to achieve its objectives and the massive downward pressure on real term wages that it has exerted, the chances of the SC being held to be a reasonable (and therefore lawful) restraint of trade don't look good....
If the SC was ruled illegal we might then be able to have a sensible debate about financial forecasting, budgets, planning, monitoring etc and a system that incentivised clubs to grow.
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| can you guys not 'loan them any fans' so their STAR SIGNINGS don't feel to 'outta place' next season !
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| Quote ="DaveO"It's speculation when talking about Wire breaking the cap for example but to be fair when he says "From what I read" he [idid read[/i it because Koukash actually said it. A quick Google of "Koukash will break the salary cap" will give you the direct quotes.'"
I've not read what Koukash did say, but I doubt he said he was going to break the cap by paying the extra in cash as the OP said.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"I think it's good that someone is ruffling feathers..... And also that it's someone else.... Can you imagine the uproar if it was us doing this... Good luck to him'"
You are wishing someone good luck for breaking the clearly stated rules of the competition?
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| Quote ="Katrina"I remember him publicly stating that he will break the salary cap, and will just take the punishments on the chin. Good on him really, it's about time someone made a stand. It really irks me that we got done for 'going against the spirit of the cap' when other clubs have since done the exact same thing with no punishment.
We should want rich investors to come into RL and project a bit of interest into the game. We should want the very best players to want to come and play here and get paid what they deserve without having to fly half way round the world to get it or leave and play Rugby Union. OK there's always got to be some kind of limit to what is spent, if it was like football then it'd just completely spiral out of control. But we're not even in line with inflation, let alone in line with our nearest competitors in the NRL and RU.
Then again it could be argued that if the cap was raised then rich investors would still break it and spend more and want the cap raising again etc etc etc.'"
Where are all of these rich investors? Surely they would buy up the teams now 'on the cheap' and and run them within the confides of the restricted salary cap (and run them below market value)? Surely that is what a 'rationale' businessmen would do.
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| It's in Wigan's interests NOT to raise the cap. With the volumes of academy products coming through on an annual basis Wigan are well placed to be 'in the running' for silverware year on year as we have an advantage over the majority of SL clubs who would need to buy-in players from both the UK and Overseas.
It's very doubtful that IF the cap was raised/abolished that IL would then go out and plunder the NRL market for top quality signings (unlike Koukash & Moran).
I would love a scenario somewhere in between.
2-3 top quality NRL players, the rest made up of Academy lads and UK players (such as Taylor, Dudson & Flower.
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| Quote ="Boris"You are wishing someone good luck for breaking the clearly stated rules of the competition?'"
You may interpret my words as you wish.....
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| Quote ="Deano G"I'd love Koukash to bring a court case on the SC. Given the abject failure of the SC to achieve its objectives and the massive downward pressure on real term wages that it has exerted, the chances of the SC being held to be a reasonable (and therefore lawful) restraint of trade don't look good.... '"
The SC may be lots of things but a restraint of trade isn't one of them.
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| Quote ="Boris"Where are all of these rich investors? Surely they would buy up the teams now 'on the cheap' and and run them within the confides of the restricted salary cap (and run them below market value)? Surely that is what a 'rationale' businessmen would do.'"
It is what IL does
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| Quote ="DaveO"It is what IL does
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I can hear the keyboards of the Happy Clappers bursting into life from here!
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| Still think the SC should have been reviewed by now just for inflation and adjustment.
When it comes down to it, the better the TV deal, the more money the clubs should get and the higher the SC should be, but that would rest on good TV deals....
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| Quote ="blackpoolwigan"Still think the SC should have been reviewed by now just for inflation and adjustment.
When it comes down to it, the better the TV deal, the more money the clubs should get and the higher the SC should be, but that would rest on good TV deals....'"
The thing is, they let the clubs vote for it. The status quo suits the top clubs, they are where they want to be so paying more is no advantage to them. The bottom clubs usually can't afford to pay more than they are, so the ability to pay more is no advantage, plus the gap between them and the rich clubs will increase because they'll have less relative spending power. The only way any club will want to raise the salary cap is if they can afford to pay more, and aren't one of the top clubs. Who does that leave? Salford. Maybe Hull FC too
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