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Well reading all that it seems Mr Khan has paid £150K for the club now with £100K to come so that will have gone/will go to to the administrators. I don't know what other assets there are if any that could add to the "pot" but once the administrators have taken their cut it doesn't look like there will be much left to pay anyone anything but isn't that how administration works?
The administrator has to do the best they can for the creditors and if that is all they got it makes you wonder how they have the cheek to charge so much (average of £205 per hour for their staff according to that the paper).
What about the ground? I thought the RFL owned that. If Bradford (as was) sold it to the RFL and the RFL give it to the "new Bradford" it won't have been an asset the administrators could sell to raise cash to pay creditors. I have not been following the ins and outs in detail but the fact the ground got removed from the equation seems highly dodgy to me.
The paper also says there is round of mini-licensing is going to occur to see if Bradford or a championship side are the 14th SL team. That seems fair enough but I don't really have much faith in the the RFL being able to tell a load of flannel about the future prospects of Bradford (or anyone else) from a genuinely well thought out business plan.
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Well reading all that it seems Mr Khan has paid £150K for the club now with £100K to come so that will have gone/will go to to the administrators. I don't know what other assets there are if any that could add to the "pot" but once the administrators have taken their cut it doesn't look like there will be much left to pay anyone anything but isn't that how administration works?
The administrator has to do the best they can for the creditors and if that is all they got it makes you wonder how they have the cheek to charge so much (average of £205 per hour for their staff according to that the paper).
What about the ground? I thought the RFL owned that. If Bradford (as was) sold it to the RFL and the RFL give it to the "new Bradford" it won't have been an asset the administrators could sell to raise cash to pay creditors. I have not been following the ins and outs in detail but the fact the ground got removed from the equation seems highly dodgy to me.
The paper also says there is round of mini-licensing is going to occur to see if Bradford or a championship side are the 14th SL team. That seems fair enough but I don't really have much faith in the the RFL being able to tell a load of flannel about the future prospects of Bradford (or anyone else) from a genuinely well thought out business plan.
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I haven't got time to read into the details but on the face of it the answer is no.
They should start in a lower league, like any NEW club.
If they are the OLD club then the creditors should get paid.
Do I believe the RFL will follow this approach? No.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"I haven't got time to read into the details but on the face of it the answer is no.
They should start in a lower league, like any NEW club.
If they are the OLD club then the creditors should get paid.
Do I believe the RFL will follow this approach? No.'"
I have no axe to grind with Bradford, but i agree with Brett. If you don't agree, what was/is the point of a cap which is there to "protect" against mismanagement/overspending. If you believe in the cap, Bradford, if reformed as a new club have to go. Indeed, if they stay as the old club they should be punished severly, and demoted, even if we have a club less in SL next season.
Just pause and imagine if it was Wigan in this position, other clubs fans would be SCREAMING for us to be demoted. Clubs and the RFL know better...  |
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No as Glasgow Rangers got sent down to the bottom league.All clubs should be treated fairly.
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I don't think should will come into it, given the RFL's track record with clubs going into administration I fully expect that Bradford will be in SL next year (rightly or wrongly).
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| Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"No as Glasgow Rangers got sent down to the bottom league.All clubs should be treated fairly.'"
Think if you got your facts right it was the member clubs of the SPL who voted rangers into the third division, it wasnt the scottish FA and I think you will find most of the chairmen in superleague want us in! So there is no difference if the RFL leave the decision to the clubs |
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No, rules is rules, bye bye bully bully (really hated all that poo they did on matchdays)
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At the end of the day, what is the alternative?
Halifax? They would be considerably weaker than the Bulls, with lower crowds, and it's YET another West Yorkshire club.
Leigh? Again, on the field they are pretty weak. Nowhere near ready for SL. Off the field they have been rumoured to have financial difficulties in recent years. Crowds will be low, although we may benefit in our home game.
I would keep the Bulls in during this licence period and then re-assess in few years.
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| Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"No as Glasgow Rangers got sent down to the bottom league.All clubs should be treated fairly.'"
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I have given this a bit of thought and must say I DON’T KNOW. My heart says one thing, and my head says another. Justice and what’s good for the game, but is it? We all can push are chests out and say, “chuck them out, they deserve it” but do the fans? Is SL better off. It’s a big call, and a bit simplistic just to say “out”. What if it was us? No fat talk please. BE HONEST!
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| Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"That's because that league was filled with bitterness and hate for that particular team so gave them the worst treatment they could dish out. Bradford should be kept in the SL and should not be punished because of how badly they've been run financially.'"
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"So where do you stand on the cap? Does it have any relevance?'"
Obviously a punishment should be involved, transfer embargo, fines, maybe even a point deduction to start the season. But kick them out of the league? No chance. |
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| Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"Obviously a punishment should be involved, transfer embargo, fines, maybe even a point deduction to start the season. But kick them out of the league? No chance.'"
They have already been punished this season with a 6 points deduction and it has almost certainly cost them a playoff place. |
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| Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"Obviously a punishment should be involved, transfer embargo, fines, maybe even a point deduction to start the season. But kick them out of the league? No chance.'"
So the cap has failed on several levels.... Failed to "help" club be run responsibly, and its certainly NO level playing field, as the Bulls had their playing field bought by the RFL to help bail them out...
So basically behave iresponsibly and stay in SL. How would you feel as a Wakey or Cas fan when your club has bumped along the bottom with poor finances and trying to stay within the rules and then see this...... Its a farce!! |
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"So where do you stand on the cap? Does it have any relevance?'"
Have a cap that fits! I can see the need for some sort of salary cap but the way it’s structured now it doesn’t work. Has it made a level playing field, no, has it stopped clubs from going bust, no. The same clubs are in the same places relative to where they were before the cap. Has it made SL more competitive with the big boys down under, no again because they can increase their cap so they pay their players better so we can no longer entice the top players over here, and I know some will say that helps our game by giving our own a better chance, but it’s a vicious circle because it has to be said top players put bums on seats hence more money and interest in SL here. IMO the salary cap needs a complete makeover, from senior, to youth and youth development. |
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It should be put to a vote like rangers.
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| Quote ="pies-r-us"I have given this a bit of thought and must say I DON’T KNOW. My heart says one thing, and my head says another. Justice and what’s good for the game, but is it? We all can push are chests out and say, “chuck them out, they deserve it” but do the fans? Is SL better off. It’s a big call, and a bit simplistic just to say “out”. What if it was us? No fat talk please. BE HONEST!'"
If the Scottish Premier League can do without Rangers, SL can manage without Bradford.
I don't think they have a huge away following so certainly clubs west of the pennines wouldn't see much difference in gates if they were replaced with Halifax for example.
I also think it is bad for the game if a club can go bust with huge debts, a new club be formed that looks exactly the same and everything carry on apparently as normal. Who will want to do business with a sport that lets it clubs walk away from huge debts with just a 6 point deduction as punishment?
If Wigan were in the same position I'd be gutted but I would not be in any position to blame the RFL for chucking us out of SL. The blame lies with whoever would have got the club into such a mess (which could of course include the RFL!). |
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when do all the clubs in the RFL get back the money that the board has wasted on buying Oldslum and then renting it to Bankcrupt Bulls at the market rate......Which no doubt they played there for a season and didn't pay 1 penny. That in effect means the RFL have given them a handout over the last season of likely £50,000 which means they have had a playing rosta subsidised......Will the RFL give all other clubs the same handout so they are all treated equally.....
Hope the handouts the Bulls received this year are clawed back next year if the Bulls are somehow playing in SL by reducing their Sky Money. as it's a sure fact that any rent due to the RFL wont be paid as creditors are going to be shafted and get sod all.
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| Quote ="DaveO"If the Scottish Premier League can do without Rangers, SL can manage without Bradford.
I don't think they have a huge away following so certainly clubs west of the pennines wouldn't see much difference in gates if they were replaced with Halifax for example.
I also think it is bad for the game if a club can go bust with huge debts, a new club be formed that looks exactly the same and everything carry on apparently as normal. Who will want to do business with a sport that lets it clubs walk away from huge debts with just a 6 point deduction as punishment?
If Wigan were in the same position I'd be gutted but I would not be in any position to blame the RFL for chucking us out of SL. The blame lies with whoever would have got the club into such a mess (which could of course include the RFL!).'"
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| Quote ="DaveO"If the Scottish Premier League can do without Rangers, SL can manage without Bradford.
I don't think they have a huge away following so certainly clubs west of the pennines wouldn't see much difference in gates if they were replaced with Halifax for example.
I also think it is bad for the game if a club can go bust with huge debts, a new club be formed that looks exactly the same and everything carry on apparently as normal. Who will want to do business with a sport that lets it clubs walk away from huge debts with just a 6 point deduction as punishment?
If Wigan were in the same position I'd be gutted but I would not be in any position to blame the RFL for chucking us out of SL. The blame lies with whoever would have got the club into such a mess (which could of course include the RFL!).'"
You do realise that the SPL can't manage without Rangers, right? Either way Bradford can be done without, but I don't think it's fair. Wakey were never kicked out, and neither were Crusaders, they just died. |
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Let them stay in but with real strict terms and conditions.
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| Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"You do realise that the SPL can't manage without Rangers, right?'"
They decided they could and more to the point should manage without them so on a point of principle that is all that matters.
Quote Either way Bradford can be done without, but I don't think it's fair. Wakey were never kicked out, and neither were Crusaders, they just died.'"
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I'd keep Bradford, they've made a real hash of things but it would be a shame to lose a side with a very marketable brand who would be in the top half of the table but for the points deduction and an average attendance of about 12K. Leave them in for now at least and see how things look when the licences next come up for review, it's not like we'll be missing out on much with Fev, Fax and Leigh. Longer term I think the league is too big, with the quality too diluted, I'd get rid of Salford (ground in the middle of nowhere, average attendance of 5K, 11th in the league, other SL clubs nearby) and I can't decide between London, Wakefield and Widnes for the other team to go
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I'm not sure why the cap comes into this debate at all. The cap has little relevance to the Bradford Bulls.
The debts where not incurred by paying the players the maximum cap. Lets face it the money that the clubs get from Sky covers a huge chunk the players salaries. Is it £1million per club per year?
The debts are incurred on the non-playing staff and other creditors. Doing things like massive discounting on season tickets for 2 years running, legal fees on Harris and probably lots of other expenses that will never be explained.
Bradford were not liquidated so this is not a new company, it's the old company that has been bought. So for me the licence issue should not be in question. If they had been liquidated then yes they would be a new team and start from square 1 for mine.
But other teams have been in and out of administration paying % in the pound and they where not chucked out. I don't see why bradford should be made an example of just because they may end up paying hardly any percentage in the pound to the creditors.
It's the nature of administration, I suppose the creditors could ask for the administration to be called into question and that they could have got more £ from liquidation. But what could they have sold??? The Coral stand for scrap is the only think that springs to mind!
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