i will start with no i dont think he should be fired! but the guy is on a massive learning curve. two point game 15 mins to go and you bring off micky mac! he was on fire should of left him on! and the first penalty against luaki he should of come off they guy is passionate and would of wanted to make up for the mistake but he then runs the risk of doing something stupid like he did.

on another note surely if richards could run and stand he could of carried on kicking! i think we are still under estimating teams.

quite a few underestimations this year so far

All I want to know is since when did our balls drop off? I seem to recall about eight years ago with the likes of Farrell, Lam, Newton and Radlinski etc. we ran the fookin' ball every time we got a penalty... kick to the corner and go for the try whilst we have momentum and confidence. Now every time we get a penalty we take the two... bit of a concern that we lack so much belief and confidence in running it. There's only a few occasions I would understand taking the two... either when it's close to half/full time or if you're struggling to even get over the opponents try-line, I didn't see either of those tonight... their defense wasn't all that and they conceded penalty after penalty. On numerous occasions we opted to take the two and we had an enormous amount of possession during the game. If I want to see kick after kick i'll get myself down to Sale Sharks... time to man up, grow a pair and put some fear into the opposition. Teams must be bloody celebrating every time we go for the two... it completely takes the pressure off the side and the ball ends up on the other side of the field for very little gain.

and yet if Warrington had been pulled up for the obstruction and Briers being a metre offside then we would have won and nobody would be mentioning Wanes inabilities.

And Silverwood in a Wire shirt and don't even mention the touch judges with Warrington scarfs on!!!

And if you had been pulled for the clear obstruction in one of Richards tries?

swings and round abouts from the ref for me let things go and it did balance its self up in the end.

Hutchie yeah he has had a brainfarts but i will bet wigan will win silverware this season dont have a doubt about it.

don't forget Ganson sat in the video suite with his Wire trackie on

just a quick question when we had a try disallowed for obsturction of a dummy runner was it ganson who disallowed it?

What about the try from a voluntary tackle?

Anyone can jump on the floor and play the ball to get the defence on the back foot!

What a minging creature Liam Farrell is

And was Silverwood wearing his Wigan briefs when he didn't send Krusty the Clown off?

You realy think Wane will lead you to silverware and carry on McGuires dynasty?

When he was tripped you mean?

For all his big talk pre-season about the maguire reign, and his tough regime, i don't think weve improved at all, but time will tell i suppose. There are only so many times we can 'get it right' and 'have a tough week in training'. Weve lost a lot of momentum since the Widnes game, but we were unlucky tonight!!

Turns out that call has bit him on the .

wane made many errors tonight and in my opinion he was the reason we lost. He was taken to school by a far more experienced coach.

Great lesson for him and will only make him stronger as long as he learns from it.

What a pointless thread this is.

I'm disappointed with tonight because it was a game we should have won. We just kept letting them back at us with stupid errors. Fair play to wire, they hung in and closed the game out. I can live with that though as they are a major threat.

I came off the ground really annoyed though that we've now lost 3 games out of 7. 2 of which have been at home. It shows now the error in being undercooked for the Huddersfield game and the selection mistakes against Widnes. 3 losses so far isn't good enough for me and imo has been of our own making. I know Shaun is on a massive learning curve and I truely hope he makes us successful. I just have doubts right now.

deffo

He didn't make anywhere near as many as some of the players. Player errors and indiscipline cost us the game tonight.

True, plus not properly punishing the Wire errors.

Said on the Eric thread, far too many schoolboy errors.

The same ref that could have sent Luaki off TWICE

Wane has failed already...useless defence and recruited useless defenders (Lauaki)..three defeats so far i'd be happy to sack him tomoz....shame he had to big up his defense!!

no it was Smith, Ganson allowed one in the Saints cats game, admittidly it was for saints.