This was made on the leeds board a laugh a min on there here is the table for the top 5 v each other

Saints p 8 W 6 L 2
Wigan p 9 W 6 L 3
Wire p 8 W 4 L 4
Leeds p 8 W 3 L 5
Hudd p 9 W 2 L 7

We can't win the big games

They have a slight point. In the second half of the season taking Huddersfield out of the equation we have only one game against the "big 3" which was Leeds at home. To add to this we have lost to Leeds twice in massive games, once in the cup and once in the playoffs

For me we have lacked cutting edge in the big games when its been close. Two weeks ago against Leeds I noticed we saw our *rses a bit and reverted back to the Noble style one man rugby at key points in the game.

This is a great opportunity for us to show we are not like Wire (big time bottlers)

Ouch - truth hurts. For all the advances made this season we still have a corner to turn, hopefully on Saturday.

I honestly believe we're probably a year ahead of where I thought we would be. So even if we lose tomorrow, or next week I'll look back and think we have had a decent season. However, next season I really expect us to get to and hopefully win a major final.
We have played some superb rugby this year, long may it continue.

This reason has been much more than i expected, and i agree that we are a year ahead of where we expected too be.

BUT, after being top from round 3, if we do not make the GF it will be classed and poor end to what has been a great season for Wigan RL.

Agreed. It was always going to be a case of achieve consistency then learn how to win the big games. If we've achieved the first target a year early, great, but now we are where we are the next obstacle must be conquered now, not at the end of next season.

I think we'll make it this time. Even with Bails, O'Carroll and Mossop fit and Amos over his troubles we couldn't be much stronger whilst Peacock and McGuire are holes for Leeds to fill.

Bookies favourites and rightly so. No excuses.

the leeds fans have been trying to rip into me over the last few days too but not really getting themselves anywhere. i'm just running them round in circles and they are falling for it big time ha ha



and anyway, this particular table suggests we have played more games against the top 5 than wire saints & leeds yet have won the same amount of games as saints have anyway which is the best winning ratio

i don't get where they are coming from!

Leeds have beaten Wire twice, Hudds and Saints once. So your table isn't quite right. We've also beaten Wigan and Saints in the cup/POs.

In all comps

Leeds P11 W7 L4

i thought it didn't look right but couldn't be bothered looking up the stats

How do you work out lost 4?

I said that was for league games only putting my point across

Did you?

And why would you do that? If anything you should be listing the table for the playoff and CC games. E.g the games where the intensity lifts a notch.

Previous results head to head go completely out of the window anyway. This game is too close to call, way too close., no stats can change that.

If you look on your forum is was a point i'm making to one of your fans saying we have only beat weak teams i didn't mention anything about knock out games

x2 to Wigan, x1 to Saints and Hudds in SL, oh how could I forget the CC final?

So played 12 W7 L5

What was your point anyway?

It's not surprising you've been running us round in circles if you claim that winning six out of nine is a better win ration than winning six from eight

The top 3 sides in tables league table and most consistent this season, Saints, Wigan and Warrington and their mini table in fixtures against one another.

Saints P5 W4 L1
Wigan P4 W2 L2
Warrington P5 W1 L4

Leeds' injuries make it very hard for them quite honestly. I actually fancy a Saints - Wigan GF now and am very confident about our chances. For that reason I have left Leeds out. However to offer some clarity Leeds have beaten Saints twice this season in the Cup and at Headingley (they were fortunate with Saints' injuries in both as well).

Anyway I think this table clears up why Saints are the Play Off favourites (unless Leeds somehow beat Wigan tomorrow).

I'm very apprehensive about tomorrow, I feel its destined to be a Saints-Leeds gf again.

We are not just not composed enough at the moment. We have competed in every single game this season and not lost my a margin of more than 12 points (with the weakest side we have turned out this season). It is the little things under pressure such as Amos's knock on at Bradford or Tommy trapping the ball and it going into touch vs Leeds at key moments in games that has cost us. Can't fault the boys though, defo ahead of schedule, and although we are only at the same stage as the last 3 seasons, it feels as though we are light years ahead progress wise. In the past we were dead on our feet and it was a game too far, this year I think they can't wait to get out there!

If we finished 3rd or 4th next season and won the CC or GF, are we classing that as an improvement when we'll have lost more game than this season?

personally, yes

Yes from me, not just about consistency, but stepping it up in the big games that count.

That you got totally embarrassingly butt stuffed in the final? humiliating defeat?

Neil has written -"This is a great opportunity for us to show we are not like Wire (big time bottlers)

Are you serious. 2 CCs in past two seasons. You bottled it against us last time and bottled it against leeds 2 weeks ago, In fact
in your last 4 home games involving the 4 teams directly beneath you you've bottled the lot.

Neil, is anybody in there? A few sandwiches short of a picnic methinks.