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| They should play 6 & 7, there's no way on current form that Myler should be getting the 7 shirt.
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| Was our Chris at the game I wonder?
In the 2nd half Sam played at 7 and Myler at 6. With Smith making this switch it may be that he sees McGuire at 6 with Sam at 7.
Myler was poor and Ratchford should have been selected before him although Stefan doesn't play for Warrington of course.
McGuire at 6 is a must but Myler at 7 with one game since June is a mistake.
Moving Sam to 7 for the 2nd half suggests he will play there with McGuire at 6.
Hope so!
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| Don't see why both can't play although I'd have McGuire on the teamsheet before Sam.
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| If Myler plays, we stand no chance whatsoever.
Totally undercooked, lacking form and fitness.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"They should play 6 & 7, there's no way on current form that Myler should be getting the 7 shirt.'"
Agreed
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| Considering that Myler could not possibly have been picked on form, the only reason I can see to have selected him was to give him a practice game before his inclusion in the 4 nations.
I think it's clear that TS intended for Myler to be starting 7 in the 4 nations, I just hope that after last nights display he rethinks this.
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| I'm finding the Myler bandwagon quite baffling.
Nobody seems to be pointing out the obvious, namely that he's unfit, badly off form and hasn't performed well for half a season - and yet in two weeks he could be up against the most awesome RL team on Earth. Quite clearly, if he played for anyone other than Wire he wouldn't even be in the squad. Yet Sam Tomkins, who scored multiple tries and made several others, is a worrying option because of his 'lack of structure'.
By the law of averages, one of these GB coaches must make a correct decision at some point with regards to selection and preparation. They surely can't keep on getting it wrong forever.
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| McGuire and Tomkins for me. Looks like O'Loughlin is going to play centre so it will be Sinfield at 13 to help with the organising/kicking side of things.
TS is going to pick one out of Sam and Myler IMO and for me bias aside its got to be Tomkins. Myler has all the potential to be a cracking scrum half but his defence needs work IMO. I dont think he is anywhere near ready in other areas of his game as well.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I'm finding the Myler bandwagon quite baffling.
Nobody seems to be pointing out the obvious, namely that he's unfit, badly off form and hasn't performed well for half a season - and yet in two weeks he could be up against the most awesome RL team on Earth. Quite clearly, if he played for anyone other than Wire he wouldn't even be in the squad. Yet Sam Tomkins, who scored multiple tries and made several others, is a worrying option because of his 'lack of structure'.'" Cough cough! Some of us have been saying that since the rumours/dip in form started. Looks like a case of a player believing his own hype (or that of his agent).
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"Despite Tomkins' hat-trick of tries and man of the match award, Smith was keen to share the praise around.
"His broken field play was very good, but I thought both half-backs (Tomkins and Richie Myler) did well," stated Smith. "
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 312822.stm
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"Despite Tomkins' hat-trick of tries and man of the match award, Smith was keen to share the praise around.
"His broken field play was very good, but I thought both half-backs (Tomkins and Richie Myler) did well," stated Smith. "
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 312822.stm
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Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard""Despite Tomkins' hat-trick of tries and man of the match award, Smith was keen to share the praise around.
"His broken field play was very good, but I thought both half-backs (Tomkins and Richie Myler) did well," stated Smith. "
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 312822.stm'"
To be fair to Smith, he wouldn't be much of a coach if he came out and said X, Y or Z was shiite.
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Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard""Despite Tomkins' hat-trick of tries and man of the match award, Smith was keen to share the praise around.
"His broken field play was very good, but I thought both half-backs (Tomkins and Richie Myler) did well," stated Smith. "
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 312822.stm'"
To be fair to Smith, he wouldn't be much of a coach if he came out and said X, Y or Z was shiite.
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| whoever gets the nod against the kiwi`s and aussies..it`ll be the same old story...personally hope tomkins gets the nod...see how good he really is and what excuses you lot come out with in his defence
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"whoever gets the nod against the kiwi`s and aussies..it`ll be the same old story...personally hope tomkins gets the nod...see how good he really is and what excuses you lot come out with in his defence'"
Why would we make excuses?
Young player of the year.
Made the "dream team" in his first full season.
Scored a hat trick and created three tries in a man of the match performance on his International debut.
What more do you want of him?
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| Quote ="RobotMonster"To be fair to Smith, he wouldn't be much of a coach if he came out and said X, Y or Z was shiite.'"
Agreed, i'm just concerned he actually did think myler had a good game. You don't need to come out and say a player was poor, but likewise you don't need to say he did well either.
Just doesn't seem quite right to me that's all.
He was asked a question by a reporter about Sam's performance, he felt he needed to say that both halfbacks did well (so Myler gets some praise)
He then volunteered that Sam Burgess was really good, but did not mention anybody else in the forwards at all.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Why would we make excuses?
Young player of the year.
Made the "dream team" in his first full season.
Scored a hat trick and created three tries in a man of the match performance on his International debut.
What more do you want of him?'"
Peeing Lightning and crapping thunder, slaying all who dare oppose him. Even then he'll still get stick from some unless he signed for them.
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"whoever gets the nod against the kiwi`s and aussies..it`ll be the same old story...personally hope tomkins gets the nod...see how good he really is and what excuses you lot come out with in his defence'"
Why do I get the sense that you want a player who plays for your country to play poorly? Just because he plays for a club you don't like? Have a word with yourself, pathetic.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Why would we make excuses?
Young player of the year.
Made the "dream team" in his first full season.
Scored a hat trick and created three tries in a man of the match performance on his International debut.
What more do you want of him?'"
Easy.......................
He would love him in a Wire shirt
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"whoever gets the nod against the kiwi`s and aussies..it`ll be the same old story...personally hope tomkins gets the nod...see how good he really is and what excuses you lot come out with in his defence'"
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"whoever gets the nod against the kiwi`s and aussies..it`ll be the same old story...personally hope tomkins gets the nod...see how good he really is and what excuses you lot come out with in his defence'"
nice attempt a trolling, but we are talking about our national side. whoever plays should be supported. sam is good enough and should play, the fact that he plays for wigan is obviously an issue for you. you need to get a grip. If carvell scored for england i would be cheering as i would if ade gardner scored. they are all wearing the england shirt and playing for the same cause, and that is to try and restore some pride after the shambolic performance in the world cup. Instead of having a go at a player because of his club why dont you show a bit of patriotism and get behind the team
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| Quote ="lothlorian"nice attempt a trolling, but we are talking about our national side. whoever plays should be supported. sam is good enough and should play, the fact that he plays for wigan is obviously an issue for you. you need to get a grip. If carvell scored for england i would be cheering as i would if ade gardner scored. they are all wearing the england shirt and playing for the same cause, and that is to try and restore some pride after the shambolic performance in the world cup. Instead of having a go at a player because of his club why dont you show a bit of patriotism and get behind the team
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If more people did just that the Four Nations would be a sell out. Unfortunately rugby league supporters tend to be some of the most insular folk you'll meet.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"He was asked a question by a reporter about Sam's performance, he felt he needed to say that both halfbacks did well (so Myler gets some praise)'"
I suppose if he slated Myler to the press the rimjobs he'll receive off him next year wouldn't have the same tenderness about them.
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| It is not a choice between Mcguire and Tomkins for who plays it's a choice for who plays 6 and who plays seven between Tomkins and Mcguire.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"It is not a choice between Mcguire and Tomkins for who plays it's a choice for who plays 6 and who plays seven between Tomkins and Mcguire.'"
Sam at stand off and McGuire at scrum half dragging us around the pitch.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Sam at stand off and McGuire at scrum half dragging us around the pitch.'"
As long as we let Sam run with the ball I don't mind where they play. I would also give Sam the short kicking game along with O'Loughlin. Let Mcguire and Sinfield to the long kicking.
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