www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Nobl ... 5023166.jp If that's the case then those concerned need to get real. If we're losing games against Castleford and Wakefield at home then how can the players not expect to receive high levels of criticism? What type of reaction do they expect?

www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Nobl ... 5023166.jp If that's the case then those concerned need to get real. If we're losing games against Castleford and Wakefield at home then how can the players not expect to receive high levels of criticism? What type of reaction do they expect?

While some of the criticism may have been a little OTT one here and at the JJB for the most part it has been deserved as save for a few players most of them can do a lot better and they know they should.

They are supposed to be big tough blokes playing the toughest sport on earth and they get upset at people having a go at them, deal with it!!!!

I would *hope* that the only team-members who are shocked by the criticism are Riddell and Roberts.

Neither of them will have heard anything like it in their careers so far.

Beyond that, they should be used to it by now - Huddersfield at home last year anybody ???

They need to just get on with their jobs.

One thing that does concern me in that article is this

Now where have we heard that one before, again and again and....... ???

I.L. should rip a strip off them like last year that should bind them together.

Seriously though i would get them in one at a time and ask them all individually do you want to play for Wigan and if the answer was no i would work out a release from there contract and put people in who did want to play and if that meant playing all the youngsters and maybe finishing bottom i would do that at least we would have a team that wanted to play for the Club

I agree absolutely.

This is the second time I've heard such pathetic bleating from this team of also-rans, and it depresses me more than the actual results.

Do these men who are whingeing want to play for Wigan or not? Second question, do they know what it means to play for Wigan?

Thus far the answer appears to be 'no' on both counts.

When the Shaun Edwards / Ellery Hanley Wigan performed like this, the team would go into a shell until they go it right. No-one would criticise them on the streets because they wouldn't be out on the streets. They'd be too shame-faced. Denis Betts got it right when he said that fear of defeat kept Wigan winning; to lose was simply unacceptable. An overstatement maybe, but at least he had the right attitude.

I can only hope today's comments have been taken out of contect or are maybe a misquote, because, if they're not, they ilustrate better than we ever could just how far IL has got to go before he can fully rebuild this club.

The players really annoyed me last year after the Huddersfield game with their comment like " we tried but it just wasn't our night" and "things like that can happen to you in superleague" when infact they got battered simply because they didn't try hard enough.

I didn't hear one player come out and admit it wasn't good enough. I did hear however how they thought the fans and Ian Lenagan had been harsh on them and they then went on to spit the dummy for a few weeks by not coming over to the fans at the end of the game and at the end of one game a group of players(including Feka, Carmont, Hansen, Leuluai and a few others) ran together straight from the pitch. To me that indicates they are a bunch of pammpered prima donna's who can't take criticisim. They don't have a winning mentality and lack leadership from within the squad.

The clubs crying out for a couple of old heads around the place to make the rest of the squad toe the line.

So they play badly and get upset when the fans dare to criticise - talk about getting things the wrong way around. Well they have a simple solution - play better - it isn't rocket science - the answer if fairly and squarely in their hands.Win games and things will improve and the fans will perhaps say nice things about them and pamper their poor weak egos.

I really do despair - the attitude from the players/coaching staff show, for me,just how out of touch and sadly lacking in repect they are.

If they really want to loose the fans totally they really are going about it the right way.

I for one am getting closer to the point of ceasing to care about the current team/caoching staff - much more of this and they can go and ....well do something.

if you don't like the heat.............

Never were truer words spoken.

The very LAST thing these men should be doing, given their propensity to lie down and die when faced by any opposition sterner than skimmed milk, is go complaining to the press.

In the days of real men, the answer would have been given on the field.

I believe this was done after the Huddersfield debacle last year.

One player (who's still here) got up and walked out.

This may go some way to explaining what the problem is that's currently preventing the Wigan team from achieving its potential.

I don't mean it's down to an individual, but if there's an attitude in the team that 'we are doing enough and simply will not take criticism', maybe rooting out a few individuals and making an example of them will get the others to sit up and take note.

This also was done after the Huddersfield game last year, and though some fans didn't like it, it appeared to pay dividends.

Time for such drastic action again?

It sounds to me like a sea-change in the culture at Wigan - both among the coaches and the playing personnel - is now called for. The Romans had a method for this. It was called 'decimation' - one in every ten were executed. It usually worked.

Don't know what these guys expect, its time to get real.

As Bilks said in his Quins match preview, if we lose on Saturday it will be our worst start in 43 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently Saturday morning the players were training at 6.30am.

Then after Nobby went round to every single players house for a face to face talk

For me, IL would get my wholehearted support if he identified rotten apples and rooted them out.TBH nothing would please me more than to see the owners and leaders take a grip on this club by the throat. I wouldn't care if it led to our highest paid players sitting out the remainder of their contracts in the reserves, just give me a bunch of players that want to sweat blood for this club.

The bit that bothers me is the line "I have to recognise and put right what has gone wrong since the start of the season . So it seems last year there was no problem then . I still remember walking through cardiff after the saints game with the song your worse than castleford being shouted from all directions , and we are worse than castleford again .

Well if it was me he would not be here now thats a disgrace it show no respect for the Coach,Owner or the Club i just hope it was not a wigan lad

AC?

Well now why has that not surprised me he should have been given his marching orders last year

Be a bit more cryptic Alex FFS

I have not booed and never will, but this statement really does worry me.

If they had all played with pride and tried their best, then the criticism would be nowhere near as harsh, Noble does not seem to understand this.
When we had the losing streak and nearly went down, did we not get behind the team even when they lost as long as the effort was there!
Together coupled with the tactical errors at times I really now wonder even more if he has lost the plot and is upto the task in hand.

If he was issuing statements like `the players understand and have taken it on the chin and all know what needs to be done, or I have taken to one side the players who are letting us down` then I might be more optomistic.

The coach needs to instill the right mental winning attitude, pride in the club and themselves, humility in defeat, team work and positivity!

My personal opinion is that from the showing so far Noble is failing to do this and this article just reinforces my view.

I will as always continue to support the team both by attending matches and vocally with a passion!

A bit of hill running also this week I believe.

The thing is with playing for Wigan - when the losing is bad its really bad - but the upside is that when the team are winning there is no better club to play for - players can be treated like Gods and they are praised around the town and are adored.

This isn't some mediocre club where the fans aren't that bothered and its just a player's job. You have to take the bad times with the good.

Ok then...Was it ''Willow''?

Much better

What a load of e article again.

Bloody hell thats un-canny!!