The facts are the facts! when Wigan where on top of the world they had..
the best players
the most money to spend on players
more great britain players than any other club
the best coaches
the best chairman


the best crowds
the best away following crowds
I could go on and on but....

the reason why Saints and Leeds have overtook Wigan is that they have simply been better than Wigan at recruiting better players and also have had very little injuries during the past 3 or 4 years the answer is very simple the salary cap has ruined Wigan's plans to back at number one again.
Look at premier league football for example if man utd chelsea nal etc had to oblige by a salery cap it would be possible that another team that recruits the better players than those 3 would be top!

Leeds and Saints have a team who sing of the same hymn sheet we simply have 13 players playing for themselves.

I'd say a few of those are stealing a living at Wigan.

Along with thier boss..

Noble is totally to blame. The players have to take a degree of the responsibility.

Why is the league being fairer a problem. Leeds have managed to stick to the cap and have had great success. I dont see why wigan fans seem to think they have to blow a huge budget to win. Dont forget the club had huge debts during the glory years. Any way as a Cas fan i dont care how much you spend as we seem pretty good at beating you!

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the best players
the most money to spend on players
more great britain players than any other club
the best coaches
the best chairman


the best crowds
the best away following crowds
I could go on and on but....[/size
and wasn`t it boring,even for you lot.Nobody wants the days when one team dominated for so long,hence one of the reasons the cap was introduced.

Wigan had more money to spend and it bankrupted the club in the end resulting in the loss of Central Park.

The reason why the club is in the position it is boils down to bad management at board level during the pre Super League era and the very early Super League era. The club was highly successful but went for broke to maintain success which it could no longer do and as soon as there was a slip in form everything came down like one of Fred Dibnah's chimneys.
Not only did the club lose its famous stadium which was a fortress, it moved into the mentality of sacking coaches every two years or less.
No club who repeatedly sacks the coach/manager is ever going to be a success. Some sacking were probably deserved others were clearly not.

Its what it used to take in 'The good old days'.

I very much doubt if the 13 on show on Friday had ever played together even in training.

certainly doesnt help - we need to pick the best team (irrespective of age) and play them week in and week out.

what use is it saving a youngster for the future if they then get miffed at lack of game time and then leave for another SL club or RU. better to play them and burn them out, as happened with fielden and no doubt will happen to Graham at Saints (probably after we break the bank and sign him too!)

and to add too that we were the only full time professional outfit to start with, and being able to out do everyone with money when it comes to signing players really isnt alot to shout about if you look at it logically, as some would say we bought our success, and the brittish players we had playing at the time were the cream of all the english talent over here.

The salary cap is the same for everyone, you cant blame that on the lack of silverware or a crap squad.

i aint

No salary cap either and that has ben Wigan's problem.

more incessant drivel from mr frisk

Do you actually know your own clubs history at all?

I wasnt a Wigan fan when we were winning everything but to think any Wigan fan found it boring is silly! If i was around then i would have been first through that turnstile every week home and away absolutely lapping it up!!

Was referring to the OP not you

what a stupid thing to say!!, now jog on troll your mums shouting you for your tea.

Leeds went professional before us.

beg to differ there pemps!!

Leeds had a bigger squad than Wigan,
Leeds squad was far more expensive than Wigan's
Leeds only trophy in those times was the Yorkshire cup.

i think you may be slightly wrong when you say saints have had very few injuries in the last 3/4 years matey boy!!

no they really did

well if that be true then, appologies to pemps then