Last year for you guys was again a disappointment considering the money you spent and quality you had, This year its played 2 and lost 2 and played poorly in both games if we are being honest.

But as a club from top to bottom have you guys hit the self destruct button?

Obviously in years gone by a huge amount of young talent has been produced and released by the club, big money signings have been at large a huge disappointment and the coaches that have come with big reputations again have disappointed, the question is why?

The mix just seems to be consistently wrong no matter what ingredients you lot keep chucking in.

On a final note given your current predicament on the field where do you lot see yourself finishing this season, I thought you would be a top three side this year but I think I might review my opinion given your current form.

What a load of crap, where we finished last season, I don`t think 80 mins from the GF was to bad!!

With only 2 games played it`s still the begining of a long season so why come on here and start spouting a load of dribble!!!

come back around September and lets chat then.

Over the course of last season the standard of rugby was poor for you lot, that is my point.

It was inconsistant last season, we did have some bad results but on the other hand we had some good results so I don`t think you can call it poor and as previously said 80 mins from the grand final wasn`t all that bad, we did better than all but 2 teams in SL.

Is it me, or is there another 4/5 threads criticising Wigan already?

same old same old, every fan loves to have a pop at wigan as soon as they have a bad game, followed by a close loss. Just because wigan have a rep that no other club has and will ever have.

Look at football - everyone critisises United, chelsea, nal if they lose but no-one else realy.

Just shows everyone sees wigan as the biggest club in SL

Sorry, you USED to be the biggest! The only proffesional club in the 80's/90's SHOULD have been the biggest, and you were! Not now. It's Saints with Leeds about to take over.

No we weren't. We weren't even the first club to go full-time professional.

How so sir?

We've lost our first two games. Yes, you guessed it, we've hit the destruct button.

Wrong, and only 1 f but 2 's's in professional flower.

I wer never any gud at shpellin.

Leeds went full-time professional before Wigan did.

Well you learn something everyday! I still think that people take 'pops' at you when games are lost because of your coaches penchant for kicking out your kids for second rate aussies. (Barrett exempt).

I don't think so

You think wrong.

Not that old chestnut!



You actually mean full-time professional rather than professional (the leading RL clubs left behind their amateur status back in 1895....).

Whether or not Leeds or Wigan were the first clubs to get to a "full time" professional position or not is neither here nor there. At the time Wigan went full time (other than Ian Lucas giving up his antique shop!) it wasn't seen as a big news by Wigan fans or anyone else in RL. All the other leading clubs had the majority of their players on full time contracts by then anyway.

This really is a desperately poor anti-Wigan urban legend and the more it gets retold and believed by the gullible as being the reason Wigan dominated the late 80s (when they weren't full time pro) and early-mid 90s the more laughably sad it becomes.

You also lose what little credibility you had left by describing Saints as the biggest club. Given their small fan base Saints haven't been and are not likely ever to be the biggest club in British RL.

Good one. Your first reason for hating Wigan is chucked straight back in your face, so you immediately scrape around for another one.

Pathetic, cliche-ridden drivel from a complete no-mark, whose innate insecurity about Wigan more likely stems from: a) the paltry size of his dik, or b) the paltry size of the club he follows, or c) both.