Would totally agree that settled halfback partnerships bear the most fruit, and this why in my previous most I thought it best to sign Myler rather than Orford due to the amount of time the respective players have left in there career. As for Myler having an impact within the team Im not sure that he would perhaps have the immediate effect on the team that Orford would due to his age and lack of experience, just think were better getting two young lads together and making sure they gel rather than signing what is a very good player however only for a short time.

kevin locke from the warriors

More chance of signing kevin ward

Steady on! He's an average at best 7, doesn't create bugger all, so he's not even decent!

A World Class 9? Yes he had a good 3 games there for NZ in the WC, but I think a LOT more game time is needed before you call him world class.

Why bang on about Orford, he's too old! Only get two years tops from him, not ideal when you are trying to build a partnership!

Plus he's building a house in Aus, he clearly has little intentions of coming to the UK!

Potential world class. From what we have seen he has been world class, you are right he is not an established world class 9 though.

As a 7 he can create on occasions but does not do it consistantly.

Didn't you want to sign Long for 2 years?

I truly think Trent carried him in the halves. Wigan often look clueless in attack, show no signs of creation. Who do you look towards to create? You're number 7. Ours at times is terrible.

No organisation skills, doesn't seem to know how to open up a defense to put a player through the cap, how many times has Gleeson or Carmont been put through a gap? I feel so sorry for them, at Wigan you make you're own work taking up the ball yourself cos our 7 can't put you through even a half gap.

A 9 does far more tackling than a 7, so I'd like to see how he's holding up after 20 or so game playing as a 9 week in week out before making any judgement calls on Tommy as a 9.

I was thinking that. Only an idiot would choose Long over Orford.

Please tell me you're joking. Please tell me why you are ignoring the second half of my constant posting outlining I would sign Long AND Myler.

Why you prove to be selective when quoting me is beyond me.

READ THE POSTS FULLY. ONLY AN IDIOT READS HALF THE POST AND COMMENTS. HOPE THE CAPS HELPS GET IT THROUGH TO YOU.

which one of him are you talking to?

Calm down driver, I was just doing it from memory, I am pretty sure you said you wanted to sign Long, thats all. Therefore if I thought you wanted to sign Long, I thought that was silly as currently Orford is a better player and I beleive would do better within 2 years.

I agree with you on Tommy though his defence is not as good as McIlorum however you gotta love the big hits every now and again, that one on Mary will never be lost in the memory.

You really do show yourself up on here.

Sorry for my CAPS! Since I mentioned Long people seem to think that was the be all and end all to my choices to help the club move forward, when I stated only if we signed Myler.

Many times it's been repeatedly brought up, incorrectly. Anyway he's Hull bound so who cares!

Hang on, if he is saying he would sign Long and Myler, why wouldnt he just sign Orford and Myler.

Thats irrelevant. Orford would add more to our team than Long would of done. Signing Long over Myler just makes no sense, even if you wanted to sign Myler as well.

Oh here we go.

Instead of ranting at me about 12 pages too late, flick back through the pages and you'll see the entire conversation.

I'm not going to go into it all over again, it's ridiculous.

You think I am going to waste my time looking back through pages just so I can see what oh great last son of wigan said

No thankyou.

However the simples of it are you wanted to sign Long on a 2 year deal. Yet you don't think Orford would be a good idea on a 2 year deal. This shows no logic however much you attempt to explain yourself on previous pages.

I agree with RB



Oh and the part I agree with is on the previous page if you fancy a look

... like you say he's gone to hull anyway, most pointless argument ever!!!!

Any time you wanna try and compete with someone who actually knows about rugby let me know, Fu£kin keyboard warrior.

But yet you expected myself to justify a point thats been over and done with 2 weeks back cos you can't be d flickin back through the pages? who the hell do you think you are?

Secondly, do you think Wigan could get Orford for the same price as Long? NO, obviously not.

So how do you expect to have both Orford and Myler under the same CAP? wake up, Myler himself isn't going to be cheap looking at his demand.

Long and Myler-split backs, develop the Myler/Tomkins partnership over 2 years under Longs supervision bring Sam off the bench and often starting.

I can't believe I'm even bothering re-explaining this considering Long has now signed for Hull.

But anytime you wanna have a pop, let me know and I'll happily rip you and your lame arguments to pieces.

So would I only 27 plenty years left in him, but it would be too much of an expensive risk.

Watched B. Finch the other night all he did was kick. In my opinion he's about as good as Tim Smith.

Not in same league as Smith IMO