Brilliant news!

At last we are building a dynasty, something we could not do under Mr Lenagan and his jobs for the boys culture

What a ridiculous post.

Effing brilliant news.

Don't Rise to it
There's another on other site called Medlocke who's just the same

So glad we've not got jobs for the boys culture and we have matty peet, Tommy leulia, Sean oloughlin etc in charge with Rads behind the scenes

It’s great news. I look at his late season form and he was absolutely outstanding. When he plays like that I don’t think anybody touches him in terms of being the biggest attacking weapon in the comp. The second half of the Grand Final just showed the fear he puts in to opposition teams, with Catalans at 6’s and 7’s trying to defend that left hand side of ours.

When did we ever build a long lasting team around a top player under Mr Lenagan, top Players where always allowed to leave, Tomkins and Williams to name two, others where allowed to come back a shadow of their former selves, certain players where allowed to dictate when they wanted to stop playing even though they where 2 seasons beyond their sell by dates rather than being told it's game over, It now looks like we are actually building a team that will be around for a good few seasons and long may it last, a lot of fans need to take their tinted spectacles off, It wasn't all biscuits and gravy under Mr Lenagan, during his tenure Leeds and Saints where allowed to gain so much more success than we had.

Lenagan came in for the 2008 season and until the time he handed the club over to Danson this is how Wigan, Saints and Leeds compare-

Grand Final wins
Leeds 6
Saints 5
Wigan 5

Challenge Cup Wins
Wigan 3
Leeds 3
Saints 2

LLS wins
Saints 5
Wigan 4
Leeds 2

WCC Wins
Leeds 2
Wigan 1
Saints 1


In total all 3 clubs have weirdly won 13 each from 2008 until the end of 2023.

It's always funny watching a Jai Field interview - I remember watching his first one and thinking this guy couldnt care less judging by his demeanour. Obviously his performances on the field have shown the exact opposite so appearances can be deceptive.

He's exceptional and to have him and French in their prime years is just fantastic for Wigan and SL. Fans shouldn't take it for granted.

Thanks for replying, I was going to leave Leeds 08/09 out and go from 2010, it look leneghan 2 years to sort the Whelan s**t show years out. In which case we'd be top.
And as for building a team around 1 player, that Lockers fellow wasn't too bad

True and I’d also say that through absolutely no fault of Lenagan we let the 2014 and 2015 Grand Finals slip through our fingers, when we should’ve won both and you could say much the same about 2020. In 2012 it was unfathomable that we didn’t get a trophy on the board also (aside from the LLS). We won 13 trophies under his ownership and I think he’ll be slightly disappointed that it wasn’t around the 16/17 mark.

To say Saints and Leeds had much more success than us in that time is clearly wrong. It feels like we probably shouid be a couple of trophies clear of the pair of them in that time but that was down to the players/coaches on those nights. What Lenagan has done is right us in a fantastic position to make sure that in this next 10-15 years we are more successful than any other team.

You replied earlier and eerily made some of the points I would have made
In this reply your thinking is exactly the same as mine again mentioning the GF's we missed out on through other issues, the 2012 season and missing out in semis in both despite playing some of the best rugby we've seen in 25 years and as you say, and it links to something I said on the Wigan way podcast before the GF this year, we've left 2/3/4 opportunities for GFs out there and not grabbed em in the past when we probably should have, and this years GF I didn't make any other prediction other than "We just need to win". More than anything to just tally up the wins and losses a bit more evenly as I think we deserved.
It must be hard for those that pinned their blame/anger/impatience/opinions IMO in no particular order Lenegan, Rads, Wane, jobs for the boys (i mentioned Peet/lockers and Tommy earlier but ill add Powell amongst others as well) to have to scramble round to justify their previous stance only to see those people and decisions bounce back and go on to prove what great people/administrators/coaches/players etc they have been and some still have a lot to give Wigan and will contribute significantly to future trophies I have no doubt.

To claim that something in the future that hasn't even happened yet i.e a dynasty, and signings for 4 years of Field for example are an example of us changing somehow in the last 2 months or so after Leneghan left, whilst all the rest of the jobs for the boys people are still here, and show no acknowledgement that the signing has all the hallmarks of how well those players signing proves they respect the culture, the club that Lenegham and others created and would possibly not have happened without their management is incredulous and ill treat those comments the way they deserve to be treated, by throwing them in the proverbial bin.

2012 and 2014 are the ones that got away big time. Sam Tomkins got injured at precisely the wrong time in 2012 and we all remember how Ben Flower threw it all away.

We played fantastic rugby in 2012 but fell foul of Sinfield's bombs (especially at Huddersfield in the Challenge Cup semi). 2013 was a lot more dour, and fans were complaining, but then we did the double...

The idea that IL had nothing to do with the Wigan Warriors team that's about to walk out this year is not worth puking on (but the guy who implied it definitely is). IL built this team, after many years of undoing the damage done to the greatest club in the land by an owner who was more interested in a tinpot football team.

For years and years IL had to put up with that nonsense, fighting tooth and nail against the whims of a pound shop Bond villain whose entire ambition in life was to build a 'house of cards' football club that would have success for the short time he was in charge, though it didn't matter too much to him what happened after he'd gone.

People need to divest themselves of the fantasy that Dave Whelan was a friend of Wigan RL and that things were somehow better when he was in charge. If they genuinely believe that, they weren't there.

Yep Dave Wheelan was no friend to us and did drain the life out this club to fuel the football. Even then deep down I only think he cared about his own vanity to get to prem and FA cup once that happened funny how the football took a big slide and he left. Mr sharpy took over who was a relation. The guy never game a sh*t what happened after he left. Yet we have his ugly mug on a statue outside the ground. Would have made more sense putting Martinez as the statue as he pulled off mission impossible beating city. Hey ho though Athletic fans are not the brightest of bunch

I'm not saying I agree with everything WK is saying, but I think people are missing some of the points he's trying to make. We undoubtedly had success under IL - that's a fact & one shown by the stats. It was a decent period trophy wise.

The point was however that we should have had way more & I agree with that. You look at that 2010 team and there was a core to it that, if IL had kept it together for a decade, could have been absolutely dominant. Instead we've come out even with two other sides. I don't think that's massively controversial to say.

If I had one criticism of IL, he never seemed (imo) to want to be dominant. He was happy picking up and sharing the trophies. Of course he wanted to win everything, but not winning everything didn't seem to cut him as deep as it should.

I want to see us become absolutely ruthless under Danson. Simply the best on and off the field. I want the 80's and 90's Wigan back. I want opposition fans to already know, in Jan, that both trophies will have cherry and white tassels on them by the end of the season.

Realistic? Probably not, but it has been done before.

I don't have a problem with this, but I am concerned - and this is a strange thing for a Wigan fan to admit - that other clubs are simply not strong enough to make this the competition it needs to be.

Don't get me wrong. I want to win everything, but I don't think that will happen. I'm not one of these who cheerfully forecasts that we'll go all season without losing. I remember Bradford doing that and then losing the next three games. But because we want the game to be a great spectacle, I find it frustrating that outside of Wigan, Saints, Catalan and, maybe this year, Warrington - the other clubs still seem to be plodding along.

Leigh and Hull KR are going the right way, but I suspect that 8 times out of 10 they would lose crucial fixtures against the clubs named above. I don't know where Leeds are, but they very clearly haven't yet replaced their golden generation and I don't rate their coach at all. Hull always flatter to deceive, and Cas no longer seem able to compete in the top half of the table.

It would be great to win everything this year, but back in the mid 90s, winning most matches by 40 points was what brought our crowds down from 15,000 a week to about 7,000.

I do agree. Thinking of the greater good of the sport another saintsesq run of trophies would not sell this sport. I imagine it becomes a hard sell for IMG and RFL to say to tv companies and fans this sport is exciting but we only have the same names cropping up on the trophy. I would love Wigan to go back to back as we haven’t done it and maybe do the full sweep next year. If I was a wire fan and Wigan did win everything next year I’d be thinking what’s the point things aren’t going to change. I really do think a new name on the trophy possibly Catalan is the next in line would do wonders for us. We have an exciting product 100% but it could be sold so much easier if someone like Salford or Cas had of won their GF. It’s still talked about today in the Prem when Leicester did it and it must boost other lower table clubs to push theirselves.

That 2010 team had quite a few older players in it to be fair and it felt like we pretty much did keep who we needed to keep for a period. The obvious loss was Sam Tomkins but guys like Micky Mac, Lockers and Faz were here for as long as we wanted them to be here. Joel Tomkins left but then that highlights how things move on because we then had Hansen and Farrell starting and Bateman came not long after, so you’re probably in a better position. Guys like Carmont, Deacon, Coley, Fielden, Riddell etc just hit the end of their careers, Richards wanted to go back to Oz and Gleeson got himself in bother.

I’m the first to become frustrated with constant player exits but the club has been really good at making sure there is a succession plan in place most of the time. We should’ve won more, without a doubt but that was mainly down to us bombing a few finals/semi finals. The only period of the 15 years Lenagan owned us I felt he got badly wrong was the Edwards/Lam situation. We’re Wigan and we shouldn’t wait 12 months for anybody but I’ll forgive him that one.

Redvee’s comments on Field in their rumours thread is a brilliant read

The problem I have with it is that it's a sweeping statement that makes the argument that "Everything" is/was wrong with what Tuesday club did when in reality they got (and I appreciate this is opinion) 80/90% of things of right.
The statement (and don't forget certain people have pushed this argument/narrative for years and years, usually after a defeat but strangely never after a Win or any success) doesn't acknowledge that if the club had taken the opposite stance 100% of the time that they think created any issues, such as resigning certain players, or not offering coaching roles etc to certain players we "May" not have been as successful as we have been.
As NK said, we deffo left 3 or 4 trophies out there whilst Sts/Leeds imo maximised their trophy haul better with maybe each only not winning 1 or 3 trophies they maybe could have, and winning a couple they maybe in hindsight shouldn't have.
But even with all that we finished level with them. But pretty much none of that had anything to do with IL

As for IL not caring about defeats as much as he should have, and it not cutting him deep. Seriously?
Not sure what you want him to do, have hissy fits in the press, scream and shout at players/coaches in public?
I'm glad to say that they way he conducted himself over his tenure was very professional, very considered and was well respected by pretty much everyone, every club and administrators within the game (I'm not sure Gazza Hetheringron may agree but who cares).

The 2010 team improved in some ways after that, Charnley/finch/Hoffman etc
It had to develop in later years with natural elements such as Deacon retiring, carmont retiring plus others such as Riddell, Coley, Fielden issues such as Hock and Gleeson
Salary cap issues constrict certain things as Saints are finding out now, as Leeds are finding out and have done for the last 5/6 years

We made 4 GFs in. Row and won 2, we should have won all 4
We made 5 Gfs in 6 years and our bad year in the league we still WON a WCC and had a Wembley final that we should have won.

I see people praising the club for its spirit now and togetherness, the way Peet galvanised the club etc.
But dont forget the same people wanting to criticise every minute aspect of the the club if we don't win anything, basically intimating that if wed have just done this or just done that like they suggest we would have won more or won everything, if they'd have had their way would have got rid of, created a different culture at the club that could have made things worse.
A lot of them are the same people that wouldn't have given Peet the job, would have fired Radlinksi, would have forced Leneghan to sell to get any old no mark in for short term money gain, would have got rid of respected players that played significant roles in winning trophies long after so called experts would have got rid of them, and then expect the players to feel exactly as connected to the club as they do now and still sign long term contracts etc etc.
Without rads/leneghans understanding there's no way Bevan French comes back, without the stuff they do behind the scenes who's tonsay players would have signed for the club, because they admire the pathways and opportunities the club provide outside of rugby.
As I've always said, players may not have signed contracts and left earlier than they did without the pragmatic approach the club took, take Sam Tomkins, he basically said he was going 2011, but leneghan managed to get him to sign a 4 Yr deal and even though he only did 2 of those we got £1 million and Sam Tomkins back in 16-18

I could go on, but those that want to slag/criticise Lenegan, Rads, Wane etc will continue to do so and will take every opportunity to do so. I'll state my position clearly, NONE OF THEM have the slightest idea about how to run a club and treat players and staff etc successfully

All.of which whilst dealing with a salary capped sport, competing against what Leeds fans will tell you was the greatest Leeds teams they've ever had in their history, a very good St Helens for the last 4 years, a Warrington team that in 2010 through to about 18 should have won more than they did who spent big, and did a lot of the things these people suggest we should have done!
All of this whilst taking over a basket case of a club on 2008, dealing with Covid and all of that for the last 2/3 years
All of that whilst the scales of balance have tipped heavily in the NRL and RU favour

The bloke could easily be the best chairman, certainly owner, we've ever had, he also did it with his own money

To state that we could have dominated if we just wanted it more etc is, we'll I can't find them words

Building a dynasty is incredibly difficult - Leeds did it in the past (and Saints to some degree recently) but that relies on so many factors outside the control of the club, players getting hurt and players retiring, players with off-field issues and in recent years the ever increasing lure of NRL (lets face it money talks in a short career - despite all the waffle of best comp/test themselves etc money is a huge driver which SL cannot match).

Anyway back to the topic - great news on Field signing on, we have the spine of the team looking strong and hopefully if we can get French to sign for longer ..............

I hate talk of a dynasty full stop. It come all from the media talking about it thankfully and I’m sure the players and coaching staff don’t buy in to it. To win one GF is hard enough, the same as the cup and the LLS and to form a dynasty you need to be taking out at least a trophy, if not 2, each and every year. I think the media are jumping on it because of Saints run this past 5 years and they think Wigan might be the next one. It takes all sorts to go on a run like that, including huge slices of luck.

"Irrespective of stats, Welsby and French have the ability to change a big game, Field doesn’t".

"I strongly suspect the majority of Fields try involvements come from games where Wigan are putting teams to the sword".

"I don’t consider him a good player, fast and dangerous definitely. We have a few better players than him as do Wigan."

"Field is a good player dont get me wrong, but his “excitement” comes mainly from his pace in broken field rather than “rugby ability”.