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| Played excellently last night.
I don't think his lack of attacking exploits is a huge issue because the majority of our attack is channeled down the left hand side where we are strongest with Carmont, and Hock.
Going forward he even looked better. Gave a great offload to Roberts in the second half.
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| He is very solid defensively, and twice the centre both Phelps and Goulding will ever be.
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| Credit it where it's due, cracking performance.
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| I said for ages that Baileys best games for Wigan have been at centre. I was made up when Noble put him back there last week. This was another thing Jonh (super coach) thought he knew best on telling everyone that Bailey would no longer work at centre for some unknown reason.
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| They were running at Tomkins all night and Sam never missed a tackle.A few times it was pure 1 on 1 and he never looked out of depth. Great technique round the legs.
Bailey did nothing spectacular he was just solid as usual.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"1 friendly v Widnes.
That was on the Thursday night before the Quins game and Riddell couldn't have played as McIlorum was suspended.
Can you imagine the furor had Riddell played and got a slight injury that kept him out of the Quins game.
The Leigh one was postponed as Leigh couldn't raise a team.'"
I was somewhat confused about that. Leigh didn't manage to raise a team at all so we ended up playing Widnes' Reserves instead?
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| Quote ="- Neil -"They were running at Tomkins all night and Sam never missed a tackle.A few times it was pure 1 on 1 and he never looked out of depth. Great technique round the legs.
Bailey did nothing spectacular he was just solid as usual.'"
He did.
He missed the one when Menzies scored.
But, what I liked about him is that he was really annoyed with himself for missing that tackle.
Sam has a brilliant attitude, and is not a player who will go hiding if things go wrong for him (which at sometimes they will). He has belief in his own ability.
Did you see him shouting at the forwards during the game?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"
Did you see him shouting at the forwards during the game?'"
Yes, and i also noticed after every try we scored him and tommy where stood together chatting about the game.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"I said for ages that Baileys best games for Wigan have been at centre. I was made up when Noble put him back there last week. This was another thing Jonh (super coach) thought he knew best on telling everyone that Bailey would no longer work at centre for some unknown reason.'"
Go back and reread my posts on this issue, your obsession with me is becoming quite flatering by the way.
I said Bailey struggles against pace in the backline this is further compounded by the fact we used this move 2 forward and hold defensive line, we certainly have not used this as much in the second half againsts Quins or as much against Bradford, where we moved forward and met them, holding just prior to contact rather than holding 5 feet from contact.
The defence we play works against a flat ball game assuming we do hold closer to contact, but is still risky when a team plays a deep backline, like Cas and Trinity did as we hold too far from contact and it gives the ball handler time and space to get up to speed or make a decision.
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| Quote ="{Hogan}"Yes, and i also noticed after every try we scored him and tommy where stood together chatting about the game.'"
You must have a pretty high lip reading ability
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| Bailey is the second best centre at the club overall. Considering we have 2 centres spots he probably should get one.
With the way we played against bradford, I'm really hoping we can repeat the performance and give Leeds a good go.
Obviously I'm not expecting to put 40 points past them, but a win would be nice!
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"I said for ages that Baileys best games for Wigan have been at centre. I was made up when Noble put him back there last week. This was another thing Jonh (super coach) thought he knew best on telling everyone that Bailey would no longer work at centre for some unknown reason.'"
Looks to me like Jonh and Nobby finally agree on something! BN wants to sign a centre - and I don't think it's to replace Carmont.
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| Quote ="jonh"Go back and reread my posts on this issue, your obsession with me is becoming quite flatering by the way.
I said Bailey struggles against pace in the backline this is further compounded by the fact we used this move 2 forward and hold defensive line, we certainly have not used this as much in the second half againsts Quins or as much against Bradford, where we moved forward and met them, holding just prior to contact rather than holding 5 feet from contact.
The defence we play works against a flat ball game assuming we do hold closer to contact, but is still risky when a team plays a deep backline, like Cas and Trinity did as we hold too far from contact and it gives the ball handler time and space to get up to speed or make a decision.'"
No amount of technical jargon and back-tracking will disguise the fact that you rubbished the few of us who said we needed to move Bailey back to centre.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No amount of technical jargon and back-tracking will disguise the fact that you rubbished the few of us who said we needed to move Bailey back to centre.'"
sorry for posting a valid response to yours filled with analysis and reason, how silly of me.
I would also like to see where i "rubished" it, i simply said that under the systems we were employing i did not think it would work, seems to me until we changed this system it did not. My issue was with allowing defenders time and space to run at him, when they have on several occasions including against Quins he looked totally lost, against Bradford we cut down the space and it worked well, so again rather than trying to use it to have a pop, you actually prove my concerns were well founded. Thanks
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| Bailey playing in the centre backed up Tomkins excellently, it gave Sam the confidence to attack his defence and move forward with confidence knowing that Bailey provided back up.
Had Goulding been their, it may have been different with Morrison attacking that side of the park.
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| Quote ="jonh"icon_lol.gif sorry for posting a valid response to yours filled with analysis and reason, how silly of me.
I would also like to see where i "rubished" it, i simply said that under the systems we were employing i did not think it would work, seems to me until we changed this system it did not. My issue was with allowing defenders time and space to run at him, when they have on several occasions including against Quins he looked totally lost, against Bradford we cut down the space and it worked well, so again rather than trying to use it to have a pop, you actually prove my concerns were well founded. Thanks
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Youve lost the plot man!
You said Bailey could no longer play centre yet now your trying to twist it to an argument about the defensive structure.
I really do wish you would become head coach of Wigan Jonh because you dont half talk a cracking game and youve already told us you know more than Noble.
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| I always thought he was at his best playing outside Phil Collins.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Youve lost the plot man!
You said Bailey could no longer play centre yet now your trying to twist it to an argument about the defensive structure.
I really do wish you would become head coach of Wigan Jonh because you dont half talk a cracking game and youve already told us you know more than Noble.'"
Go back over my post, again and read what is there re Bailey, i think his defence out wide has been poor thus far, which is compounded by the poor defence structure, its all there for you in black and white.
Or are you saying his defence this season has been good in games other than the Bradford one?
Again the only person claiming that i know more than Noble seems to be you, i think your bitterness is compounding your ability to reason.
You are unable to respond to a reasoned argument just respond with silly statements.
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| Quote ="jonh"Go back over my post, again and read what is there re Bailey, i think his defence out wide has been poor thus far, which is compounded by the poor defence structure, its all there for you in black and white.
Or are you saying his defence this season has been good in games other than the Bradford one?
Again the only person claiming that i know more than Noble seems to be you, i think your bitterness is compounding your ability to reason.
You are unable to respond to a reasoned argument just respond with silly statements.'"
Baileys defence has been poor? So has everyones at one point or another up until the Bradford game!
You have claimed in the past that you could do a better job than Noble on more than one occasion when you have been ranting about how poor a coach he is. You claimed the reason he won things with Bradford was down to pure luck!
And you have the cheek to say im coming out with silly statements!
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Baileys defence has been poor? So has everyones at one point or another up until the Bradford game!
You have claimed in the past that you could do a better job than Noble on more than one occasion when you have been ranting about how poor a coach he is. You claimed the reason he won things with Bradford was down to pure luck!
And you have the cheek to say im coming out with silly statements!'"
What has other peoples defence got to do with Bailey's? As i stated on several occasioni think the systems we used were a major contributor to his weaknesses.
I predicted the Cas and Quins backs would hurt us, especially Shenton in the Cas game, did i come on screaming i told you so, no clearly as i am not an egomaniac.
Nor did i see fit to run home from the game to post bitter nonsense.
The bit in bold is a total falicy but then again i expect nothing less when you are struggling to back your stance.
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| Quote ="jonh"What has other peoples defence got to do with Bailey's? As i stated on several occasioni think the systems we used were a major contributor to his weaknesses.
I predicted the Cas and Quins backs would hurt us, especially Shenton in the Cas game, did i come on screaming i told you so, no clearly as i am not an egomaniac.
Nor did i see fit to run home from the game to post bitter nonsense.
The bit in bold is a total falicy but then again i expect nothing less when you are struggling to back your stance.'"
Jonh, give me time,i shall bring back some old posts of yours re. Noble should i? We will then see what is a total falicy. Just give me time to route them out.
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| Quote ="jonh"especially Shenton in the Cas game'"
And rightly Goulding was removed. Bailey is not a long term solution to the centre spot, but this season, until Pryce can get fit at least, he is the safest and most sensible option.
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| Quote ="AJ"And rightly Goulding was removed. Bailey is not a long term solution to the centre spot, but this season, until Pryce can get fit at least, he is the safest and most sensible option.'"
No you are wrong i am Jonh super coach and Bailey would be a disaster in the centre he is too slow and has aged badly since he last played there!
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No you are wrong i am Jonh super coach and Bailey would be a disaster in the centre he is too slow and has aged badly since he last played there!'"
I questioned his ability to deffend there given what i and everyone else had seen with there own 2 eyes prior to the Bulls game, i also stated that the systems in defence we used were not helping this, systems which have now changed, or at least did for the second half of the Quins game and the Bradford game, something you completly choose to ignore, as it does not fit with your petty name calling.
I look forward to the quotes where i stated I was a better coach than Noble, and his success at Bradford was purely down to luck by the way.
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| this is nearly as funny as the statue subject. What time the handbags coming out ?
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