To be honest I couldn't give a shiny $hite anymore.
I hope Sam doesn't play and gets fresh for Wigan next season, then I hope Tony (In no way biased) Smith picks Myler at Scrum Half and England get smashed in each game which results in poorer performances than last year.

Aye I thought he played centre at Wakey in the earlier days.

Played a bit of stand off too.

He was a good one as well.

Good enough for Leeds to snap him up anyway.

He's no Inglis but as much as i like Lockers swapping him and Ellis would make the England team stronger.

My England team would be:

Briscoe
Fox
Ellis
Shenton
Hall
McGuire
Tomkins
Morley
Moore
Peacock
O'Loughlin
Burgess
Sinfield

Graham
Roby
Carvell
Westwood

Doesnt matter really though, whatever team we put out we will only finish 3rd behind the Aussies and Kiwis, even if the whole Leeds team played including overseas players i cant see anyone gettin' past those 2.

Briscoe
Hall
Ellis
Smith
Fox
Tomkins
McGuire
Graham
Sinfield
Peacock
Morely
Burgess
O'Loughlin

Carvell
Crabtree
Moore
Westwood

Ellis will do a better job than anyone at centre and be solid in defence.

I think we need Sinfield in the team for organisation and kicking so play him at hooker as I don't think Roby in the team is just with the way he has played.

Start with 4 props to steam roll them and play Burgess for 80 but keep the rest really fresh with interchange.

Westwood is included for his size from the bench to sustain the impact of the pack which I don't think Wilkin would do, its not like our backrowers will be running through gaps.

To be fair if we all picked who we think should be in the xiii it wouldn't matter.
The fact is we will get our arris handed to us no matter who plays because we simply are not good enough.

If the Aussies don't beat us by at least 20 points i'll be very surprised and unfortunately i honestly think that the kiwis will do the same.

Bloody hell, no Lockers now, this squad gets worse by the minute. I'd play:

FB Shaun Briscoe
RW Ryan Hall
RC Kyle Eastmond
LC Michael Shenton (Keith Senior!)
LW Lee Smith (Leon Pryce!)
SO Danny McGuire
SH Sam Tomkins
P James Graham
H Scott Moore
P Jamie Peacock
SR Sam Burgess
SR Gareth Ellis
LF Kevin Sinfield

S Gareth Carvell
S Adrian Morley
S James Roby
S John Wilkin

Steamroll them early doors with Graham, Peacock and Burgess then good kicks every time from Sinfield and tons of tackles from Ellis. Then bring Wilkin and Roby into the fray when they start tiring and giving us a bit of room to play with, those two can be very very handy in attack. That's the theory anyway.

Well make sure you enjoy watching Wigan next year because if everyone takes on your attitude, you won't be watching them for very long.

Bet you didn’t say this about Cunningham when he walked out on the national side or the same with Long? If they players can’t be ar$ed is it any surprise some fans can as well?

My problem with international RL is that it’s a joke. We are constantly having it shoved down our throats and are expected to support it no matter what. Why would I want to go and watch a friendly against Wales? WTF are we even doing playing against a team like Wales same also goes for France as well. Lets let these tier two nations play against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Samoa & PNG as there is a group of nations at that level which are competitively close to each other.

I must have missed the Australia vs PNG match? It never happened because it’s not beneficial for either team. Australia has the Origin to prepare them and develop players. NZ for the most part select players from a higher league and play Australia in a mid season test which again prepares them. We play Wales in a friendly? Can you not see the level of incompetency from the RFL here?

I won’t simply support an idea out of blind faith or love for the game. If it think it’s wrong for the support them I’m not going to happy clap about it

Quote ="thepriestman85"Bet you didn’t say this about Cunningham when he walked out on the national side or the same with Long? If they players can’t be ar$ed is it any surprise some fans can as well?'" You think so? I spent a lot of money to support Long on that tour and thought his actions were reprehensible. KC's career was nearly ended playing for GB - he was often injured. If trhe injuries weren't genuine (a number of them clearly were) then I find that reprehensible too. Quote ="thepriestman85"My problem with international RL is that it’s a joke. We are constantly having it shoved down our throats and are expected to support it no matter what. Why would I want to go and watch a friendly against Wales? WTF are we even doing playing against a team like Wales same also goes for France as well. Lets let these tier two nations play against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Samoa & PNG as there is a group of nations at that level which are competitively close to each other.'" Australia beat us more easily than we beat Wales - perhaps it is us who should be playing in a lower tier competition? Quote ="thepriestman85"I must have missed the Australia vs PNG match? It never happened because it’s not beneficial for either team.'" www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26 ... 01,00.html Quote ="thepriestman85"Australia has the Origin to prepare them and develop players. NZ for the most part select players from a higher league and play Australia in a mid season test which again prepares them. We play Wales in a friendly? Can you not see the level of incompetency from the RFL here?'" It's a warm up game, like our game against France. Who do you suggest we play, a Mars XIII? Quote ="thepriestman85"I won’t simply support an idea out of blind faith or love for the game. If it think it’s wrong for the support them I’m not going to happy clap about it'" So you're supporting the international game by NOT supporting the international game. Interesting concept. I look forward to you whinging about how far we're falling behind RU and how we can't compete (which is directly attributable to an inferior international game).

Quote ="thepriestman85"Bet you didn’t say this about Cunningham when he walked out on the national side or the same with Long? If they players can’t be ar$ed is it any surprise some fans can as well?'" You think so? I spent a lot of money to support Long on that tour and thought his actions were reprehensible. KC's career was nearly ended playing for GB - he was often injured. If trhe injuries weren't genuine (a number of them clearly were) then I find that reprehensible too. Quote ="thepriestman85"My problem with international RL is that it’s a joke. We are constantly having it shoved down our throats and are expected to support it no matter what. Why would I want to go and watch a friendly against Wales? WTF are we even doing playing against a team like Wales same also goes for France as well. Lets let these tier two nations play against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Samoa & PNG as there is a group of nations at that level which are competitively close to each other.'" Australia beat us more easily than we beat Wales - perhaps it is us who should be playing in a lower tier competition? Quote ="thepriestman85"I must have missed the Australia vs PNG match? It never happened because it’s not beneficial for either team.'" www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26 ... 01,00.html Quote ="thepriestman85"Australia has the Origin to prepare them and develop players. NZ for the most part select players from a higher league and play Australia in a mid season test which again prepares them. We play Wales in a friendly? Can you not see the level of incompetency from the RFL here?'" It's a warm up game, like our game against France. Who do you suggest we play, a Mars XIII? Quote ="thepriestman85"I won’t simply support an idea out of blind faith or love for the game. If it think it’s wrong for the support them I’m not going to happy clap about it'" So you're supporting the international game by NOT supporting the international game. Interesting concept. I look forward to you whinging about how far we're falling behind RU and how we can't compete (which is directly attributable to an inferior international game).

Cunningham did two things he played RL off against RU and then took RL’s money and ran straight to his mates Shaun and CARL long to have a laugh at RL’s stupidity. Many, many players have been injured playing in international Radlinski included in 2003!




Guess we may have to. Not like we are going to improve with the odds stacked against us-Under prepared, poorly ran & coached



That wasn’t the full Australian team



There are a number of games we could play that would be a much more competitive game than the pathetic Wales or France ones.

We could play a proper origin game, a possible vs probable’s (defiantly one game I would pay to watch) or even an imports vs game. Either one with the right backing and proper marketing would be more beneficial than what we’ve got.



We aren’t falling behind RU we so far behind them already were a 2nd teir sport that they don’t even bother about. They just Cherry pick our best players when they want and then get on with their own business.

At the end of the day you’d probably watch paint dry if the RFL endorse it as a way to develop an international game in RL. I’m not going to hand over my hard earned cash to endorse it

what you wiganers are not getting is that myler has not played first team rugby league since july so as stevo said he will be rusty but once the season starts he will be fit and pumped up to go. yes i think tomkins should get the nod because of recent form tomkins has had a outstanding season with you lot. dream team young player of the year. just like football all the rival teams such as liverpool everton saints and wire and so on shuld all support your country .

COME ON ENGLAND BRING THE 4 NATIONS HOME

McGuire and Tomkins would form my halfback partnership tbh.

I'd also have Eastmond in at left centre considering we look unbelievably weak outwide. I'm not a huge fan of Shenton tbh and as for the selection of Sykes



Eastmond and Lee Smith would be my centre pairing which even though exciting in attacking terms doesn't half make you worry defensivly when coming up against Inglis, Hayne, Hodges etc.

Agree completely. Unfortunately I don't expect Smith to go for that line up. I expect Sinfield to appear at stand off and Sykes somewhere in the threequarters.

Spot on!

Just like you lot got behind Radlinski/Robinson/Farrell/Edwards/Betts/Johnson etc etc etc etc etc and didn't blame any of the Wiganners when we got considerably closer to beating them than this lot will!

Can't blame us this time, not a single Wigan player selected for Friday.

England team announced
Wednesday 21st October 09

The England team that will play France in the opening fixture of the 2009 Gillette Four Nations at Keepmoat Stadium, Doncaster, on Friday night will be;

1 Shaun Briscoe (Hull KR)
2 Tom Briscoe (Hull FC)
3 Lee Smith (Leeds Rhinos)
4 Michael Shenton (Castleford Tigers)
5 Ryan Hall (Leeds Rhinos)
6 Danny MCGuire (Leeds Rhinos)
7 Richard Myler (Salford City Reds)
8 Jamie Peacock (Leeds Rhinos, capt )
9 Scott Moore (Huddersfield Giants)
10 Adrian Morley (Warrington Wolves)
11 Gareth Ellis (Wests Tigers)
12 Sam Burgess (Bradford Bulls)
13 Kevin Sinfield (Leeds Rhinos)

Interchange
14 James Graham (St Helens)
15 James Roby (St Helens)
16 Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves)
17 Kyle Eastmond (St Helens)


Sam Tomkins must be scratching his head

It better not knock his confidence!

I have never been more annoyed about a selection issue.

If it does he'll never become a top class player being that mentally weak.

What he should be doing is showing Smith he made a mistake whilst training.

Which is why I said I hope it doesn't knock his confidence.

People have got very short memories, don't forget Smith was the coach at the World Cup last year and what a shambles that was, so why expect him to pick a player in form as against somebody who has hardly played for the last 3 months.

In any other situation after the World Cup he would have resigned as England coach but being as we have so little in coaching ability in the UK this is what happens. Not a moan just facts.

Look at who is coach of the year in the UK, Nathan Brown, the very same who was kicked out of St George after 6 years of not much, who takes over there Wayne Bennett and they finish Minor Premiers, what does that say for the coaching in the UK?

Correct.
He'll be o.k. and I have no doubt he'll be in the 17 next week.

Bums on seats.
Wrong reason I know, but it'll happen.

I fully expect Briscoe to be slated as he was born and raised in wigan...............