It's not a myth though. Tomkins lacks size - he can't challenge effectively for a contested high ball like say, Richards.

Any coach worth his salt will be telling his kicker to put bomb after bomb up against Sam.

He's the same height as Billy Slater !!!!

Do people honestly not think Sam is playing fantastic currently? He's playing as a FB. I don't understand this desire to play Sam at 6, we have plenty of good options to play in the halves no one else really to do a good job at FB.

Exactly, people are even mentioning him as an early candidate for Man of steel, yet most of our fans want to move him to a different position!

I would leave Hock in pencil just for now !

The ink hasn't quite "dried" on that contract yet !

I feel that for Sam to be more effective at FB, he really needs to add abit more size to himself without losing the speed. I have been on the pitch watching Billy at Melbourne, Sam may be the same height but Billys legs and shoulders are huge. Sam lacks the power at the moment to break though (with strong forwards) or defend a good high ball in traffic, don’t get me wrong his development at this stage is great..but for him to continue in the FB position especially at an England level (or the top few teams in Super league) he need to get more size and power..

Tomkins may not be the biggest but look at Hodgson and Patten. They are not man mountains and were very highly regarded in the NRL.

Its a bit unfair to compare him with Slater who is the best around. I know what you mean reagrding power; Slater and Hayne can burst through defenders anywhere on the pitch. Tomkins will get stronger and is the best option Wigan have at fullback just for the attacking threat he can pose.

but next season we dont.
finch is no good,
and wont be here next year,
deacs wont be here next year,
leaving just tommy, who we play as a sub hooker to,
im sure we have more wingers and full backs that are good enough to play in the first team than get an un-tested, or another aussie who really inst worth what we are paying him to come and play in the middle of the park because you lot want to keep our best attacking player out of the way at full back getting him smashed everytime a kick comes through.

indeed.

You don't give up easily you men do you



I've heard Maguires ink on his Souths contract hasn't dried yet aswell and he may do a u-turn and decide to work as an assistant to Richard Agar.

These are two very spurious points to hang an argument on.

IL said that Finch will see out his contract. And the conventional wisdom from down under is that Finch is a pretty good player (i.e. Origin standard).

I'll agree that he's had a slow start over here, but adaptating to a new club and systems etc can take time, as has been proved by some of the best - Pat Richards, Mark Riddell, Craig Smith and Gene Miles to name four off the top of my head.

Really makes me laugh how some can make a final opinion on a guy after just 7-8 games.

keep saying it, if he was as good as hes ment to be he wouldnt need to bed in,
trent didnt, kenny didnt, lam didnt,

Again, how many of those were injured for the best part of a year and had major surgery just before signing?

And not even half a pre season

Idiot

Lam wasn't massively impressive straight away. Kenny was 'Untouchables' standard walking into a UK league where some, if not most, of the teams were still operating a Stone Age rugby league philosophy.

The only one who made a remarkable impact straight from the off was Trent. But the exception rather than the rule is no way to illustrate an argument.

dallas didn't and he was out with two broken jaws.
im fairly sure that mark riddell had back surgery before he came to us.
herny paul didnt take long to get up to speed,

and kenny only played over here for about 6 months! so if he took this long to bed in he wouldnt have been remembered as the great he is by the older generation.

The bottom line with finch is this! I put it out there on the pies board right from when you first signed him. Finch is a ham n eggs nrl half back. He's not a world beater, he's not gonna go the length of the field. He has a solid passing game, a solid kicking game, he's a solid defender. He tough and a niggler. He's nothing flash but he will do a job. people should expect nothing more from him because he's never been anything other than solid. That's why he played origin. Not because he's some outstanding talent. Some people in the uk still don't get origin. To play origin the likes of Gould and Pearce spell it out all the time. You need to have no fear of getting hurt to win and not cough the ball up in your own forty and make daft errors. Finch is one of those blokes.

i just dont think hes good enough,

No argument at all, that.

ive given you more than enough stuff to argue with and you chose that!
i dont think he is performing, i think his passing is more often than not putting people into trouble.
he has a distict lack of ability to read the game and play what is in front of him, and bar a few good moments where hes got a try, i dont think he is being creative enough.
All the oppositions tries seem to be coming down the left half of the field, either because he is moving too far into the , and leaving carmont with a hell of a lot of space to cover,
or because both him and Hoffman are doing it creates an even bigger gap to be covered by carmont.
i think ive explained my concerns with his performance. i now wait for your ridicule and abuse.

He was good enough for the roosters, parra, Melbourne and nsw playing in the best rl comp in the world by a mile but he's not good enough for Wigan in sl?

You need a pinch. nrl halfbacks coming to sl arnt the best ones

Henry Paul was signed from wakefield

And Dallas was a winger he was not supposed to take a team around the field and have most plays go through him like a 6,7 does.