Give your head a wobble. Everyone in the week accused me of not being in the real world and needing to look at this from a business POV. Imagine if this happened in the real world and you broke any other kind of contract that you'd signed.

The club (by the sounds of it) had a legally binding deal, which they could have taken him to court over. Someone mentioned the Harris Leeds/Bradford deal. Another example might also be Solomona too.

It looks like the rat has been very lucky that they club haven't claimed damages over this. Reading comments like yours & others about how it 'appears' the club is on a decline, people not renewing season tickets, plus the fact Wire are a competitor means the club would have a pretty strong case.

We should 100% have taken him to court. Just like Leeds did and just like Cas did.

The rat, really?

And what would taking him to court have got us? A moral victory? This letting our players go to the NRL and making a deal so they come back was ridiculous to begin with. This was always going to happen eventually.

The club doesn’t ‘appear to be on a decline’. It is on a decline. We’re targeting championship/low SL standard players using them to replace top level SL&NRL players, continuing with a coach who is worse than Ian Millward and patently didn’t do enough/can’t afford to bring back GW. Doesn’t read like we’re surging up hill that does it?

Rather than wobbling my head it’s about time you got your fingers out your ears, mask off listen and look as to what’s going on. If IL and KR don’t invest heavily in the coaching staff as well as playing squad somewhere around 5th will be our level next season.

In what alternative reality are you trying to suggest that Toby King isn't a Warrington Academy product

It's about enforcing contracts and not being negligent as a business.

The place I work for have a standard clause in everyone's contract about not going to a competitor for a min of three months post employment. I can't just ignore that, I've signed the contract and I'm bound to it. If I did, the firm will take me to court over it - not because of a "moral victory", or even because they'd want me back but because it protects their business and defends their position.

If I have any type of contract, I can't just end it without either paying an exit fee or having some kind of repercussion. Regardless of if I've got a child on the way, or have found a deal that's more beneficial to myself.

It's pretty basic adult stuff this.

Thank you for proving my point on the reputational damage too. The club tried to sign GW, but not signing him now means people like you think "we only sign championship level players". If we'd have signed GW that wouldn't have been the case. Let's also not talk about the irony of you moaning about the level of players we sign on a thread about us trying to sign GW. The fact we were in for him, is hard proof of the players we're trying to sign.

The club obviously thought GW wasn't worth what Wire offered him. That's not a club on a decline, it's just simple business. We're negotiating with other players at the min, what happens is Bibby says he wants a £1m, by your logic we'll just pay it with no thought of if he's worth it.

Just because your place of work would chase you through the courts, doesn’t mean Wigan should. I also never said GW didn’t sign purely for money so why you’ve tried to put a strange Bibby comparison in there is beyond me. You might want to start reading and taking in what I’m saying properly.

If GW hadn’t have left Canberra we’d still be targeting Championship/Lower SL level players (another part you conveniently missed out). Him becoming available meant we targeted a genuine world class level player by absolute chance which didn’t come off. You can try and spin I moan about the level of players we sign or try to sign all you wish but the fact remains; with or without GW, signing Thornley, Mason, Miski to replace players such as Hastings and Gildart with the likelihood of French joining them out the exit door, whilst not targeting the type of forwards we need will not win us trophies but will send us to 5th.

You, for some bizarre reason, clearly believe the club isn’t on the decline. My logic is clear; Wigan wasn’t an attractive proposition for GW both in terms of potential future success and in all likelihood financial terms. With a coach like Lam, his potential future team mates and a lower wage on offer why would he choose Wigan? If we had a decent coach and a good set of team mates to play with even with a lower wage he may well have chosen Wigan.

I’ve said it multiple times we’ll move on with someone else, probably Smith & Field. We won’t know any different given he’s been gone for nearly 2 seasons and the money we would invest in GW can go elsewhere like where it’s needed.

Why shouldn't we take him to court? Should Leeds not have taken Bradford to court, or should Cas not have done what they did to Solomona?

Also your direct wording was "[ididn’t do enough/can’t afford to bring back GW.[/i". How do you know they couldn't afford him? What if they could afford him, but didn't think he was worth it? Hence my comment about Bibby. There's a world of difference between not being able to afford something and not wanting to pay more than you should.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest. As plenty of people have pointed out - you, me or anyone else have no idea who we're targeting. There's only been one target that we can 100% be sure about and that's GW. The rest are rumours and speculation. I'll happily have an opinion once everything is complete, otherwise it's pretty pointless.

You don't sound very confident about this "legally binding deal". Maybe any agreement was as legally binding as the one Wigan had with Shaun Edwards.

Depends what you class as a "product of" considering he was signed from another club's academy. I wouldn't be surprised if he spent more time in Huddersfield's academy than Warrington's considering it wasn't long until he was promoted to first team.

Quote ="Wigg'n"Depends what you class as a "product of" considering he was signed from another club's academy. I wouldn't be surprised if he spent more time in Huddersfield's academy than Warrington's considering it wasn't long until he was promoted to first team.'" You do know that it is Toby not George who has been selected for England? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ld-6869764

Quote ="Wigg'n"Depends what you class as a "product of" considering he was signed from another club's academy. I wouldn't be surprised if he spent more time in Huddersfield's academy than Warrington's considering it wasn't long until he was promoted to first team.'" You do know that it is Toby not George who has been selected for England? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ld-6869764

Slating of GW over this is ridiculous…

1. Possibly better money at Warrington.

2. Certainly a better (and new) challenge at Warrington.

3. Great opportunity to raise his rep further in a different environment.

4. Chance to work with a coach who I personally think coaches a side in such a manner that GW would run riot if all goes well.

5. Maybe/almost certainly not really a signing we (IL/KR) wanted or needed to make for loads of reasons (big wages regardless of what others were offering, squad investment more important in other positions, etc etc).

I don’t believe for a minute if it didn’t suit our agenda we wouldn’t make more of a fuss about the breaking of this “agreement”.

Watch him sign for Leeds now!

Wigan have allowed Williams to sign for another SL club. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/57534630

Wigan have allowed Williams to sign for another SL club. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/57534630

Having first option isn't a legal binding agreement that he must sign for us. It just means we speak to him first. The legal bit must be in the last week because as i believed it he was a 95% signed sealed and delivered Wigan player but Warrington stuck a huge 11th hour offer into him. It must be something to do with that. Who cares anyway, we have much bigger problems than a vastly overrated HB.

Quote ="Paul Youane"You do know that it is Toby not George who has been selected for England? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ld-6869764'" Fair point I did but always thought Toby was the older one for some reason.

Quote ="Paul Youane"You do know that it is Toby not George who has been selected for England? https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ld-6869764'" Fair point I did but always thought Toby was the older one for some reason.

Who wins? No one. Other than for some bitters to grin on the couch and go “take that ye little barstool” if we got the ruling in our favour? Nah.



I don’t, like you don’t. But if you look at who we’re being linked with, who we’re letting go and what coach and back room staff we’re still running with the “can’t afford him” comment rings true. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Unlike some I’ve no qualms about saying I was wrong about something. Your comment about Bibby is still a bizarre comparison however way you want to try and spin it now and you know it.



Sound.

I let him off the hook. Not for the first time I’ve saved him his money.
Although if he’d had pm’d me for a bet, I’d have raised the stakes.

I said pm me and we’ll talk about a bet.
Tbh, I think your alright and I didn’t want you out of pocket. I knew I wasn’t going to lose, which is a nice position to be in when making a bet, but I also had a sense of guilt, and had you have pm’d, I’d have still saved you your money.
I’m a sucker at times, but not that type of sucker either.

To add to that, when I give to charity, I don’t like it advertised anywhere. I do what I do without want and I give when I give in confidence.

No, GW had already agreed to go to Wire at least 3 weeks ago.
You only need to look at the GW statement about sucking up to Lenegan, to know that its likely Lenegan had written it!

I don't think GW comes out of this well at all, but I can't help but think that a factor must have been him thinking, look at the state of the Wigan club at the moment, who will be their coach next season, etc etc.

No problem, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll donate the value of that bet to Joining Jack.



Done.

I don’t need to know. You wouldn’t know if I had given.
However that’s nice if you to do so, whilst having nothing to do with a bet.
You’ve done so out of the goodness of your heart.

Would be funny if Leeds nipped in last minute and whipped him from under Wire's noses.

I said the same last week on Mikes site, nobody was amused

Wouldn't that mean that Wigan wasn't even GW's 2nd choice?

Who cares? I'm glad we haven't spunked most of our salary cap on him though. Run of the mill half back with a bit of pace. Tonnes of them about.

we need to find one !!