Just remind me, how many was I out last time.

You'll be old yer self one day lad

Wakefield fans needs to learn the difference between obstruction and dummy runners. It was embarrassing at times hearing them calling for obstruction when the ball was going behind the man.

Our defence was poor today - almost as embarrassing as Richie Mathers career.

Yep - hes played at the highest level available in his own country for years - he should feel ashamed of himself.

So the big plan to save players for the Saints meant subjecting quite a few young lads to a bit of a battering from a big experienced pack once our frontline props went off.

Why shaun wane takes off our two biggest go forward props at the same time is beyond me. We just lose all momentum as a result.

Also a prop /second row in Hopkins who as been going well for Leigh whilst on loan, then being recalled and put into the 19 is then ignored again. very puzzling.

If Hopkins cannot get a game over James there is no point in him being in our squad/club.

Best team won end of

Jonh why were you wanting Wakefield to win, considering you're a Wigan fan...?

I thought he was your best player today, looked dangerous every time he had the ball. Very good off both feet and plenty of speed.

He looks a very good player on today's performance.

Because Wakefield are a club I represented and also coached at. To see them go down would be damaging to the Club and also local junior rugby league in the area, systems my kids are involved in. Wigan did not need to win today to be champions. A Wakey win today ensured they stay up.

Thuggery at Wigan? Never!

He claims in the press conference that no-one was rested, all were forced absences.

The error count and missed tackles from a combined 4 players in Josh, Goulding, Smithy, and JJ told the story today. Worst I seen these four players play. Weakened side or not when your so called first choice players perform like that it puts unnecessary pressure on the young lads that have been brought in to do a job. Positives: Liam Farrell has found the form he showed at the start of last season which will give stains some pre game nightmares and I think Flower, Burke and Hughes went well contributing over 120 tackles between them not much more to add really on a pretty sorry performance.

Playing St Helens is not about the points, never has been and hopefully never will be.

Burke's effort on Tim Smith when he danced round him and left him on his backside was very poor.

I was there and Wigan looked to be running on empty. Body language coming out for second half was not good with heads bowed and no energy, yet we started the half well, we just ran out of steam in the last 15 mins of both halves.

Ref I thought was ok.
Nothing in the on report incidents for me.
Ryan forearmed Gelling on the floor in a tackle that made him react but it was handbags.
Similarly Matty Smith was embarrassed to be put on his backside by Ryan and reacted, again nothing in it.
Possible spear tackle by Liam Farrell will be looked at but player seemed to land safely on his back.

Key for me was as Bilko said we couldn't cope with Moore and especially Tautai when they came on.
Good game, disappointing, but more enthusiastic team won on the day.

Bye bye Bradford & London.

Yeh i think we can forgive 1 missed tackle in a game though, it's when you start missing 3 or four and stacking up the error count. When on our own line our big lads let in quite a lot of soft trys the moore and washbrook trys were pretty poor efforts.

28 points should have been enough to win it, but our try line defence was very soft. I think we conceded three or maybe four tries from one pass from the ptb. No matter how young the players are they should have played enough rugby to get their bodies in front of the attacker.

I think had that try not been disallowed which would have put us 24 - 6 we would have won the game comfortably. Also it was poor execution for the forward pass disallowed try that would have given us the lead late on. it was a simple two on one pass and catch.

Harsh but true.

All? Are you sure? The only one he mentions in Wigan TV over and above Bateman and MM which we knew about was Lockers who banged his knee in training (another training injury!) and wasn't even in the original 19 anyway. Are Dudson, Crosby, Burgess and Manfredi all injured?

I have my doubts and think this was another of Wane's "Widnes moments" where despite a lot of absentees he make matters worse by deciding to play several different players out of choice not because he had to.