Obviously you dont know what goes on behind your back. Already checked pal. Have got to know various moderators on here recently from other clubs.

The Charnley vs Briscoe debate I can understand and tbh I think Briscoe is the better player at the minute but then so he should be with an extra 3 or 4 seasons superleague under his belt. I believe Charnley is a better player by a distance though then what either Briscoe or Hall were 18 months in to their first team careers.

As for McIlorum there is simply no questioning this lads form. He's come on leaps and bounds and whilst he is in a good side, he's playing a huge part in our season. I think there are specific players that suit test match rugby league and McIlorum is one of those. He's hard as nails, aggressive, niggly and could play 800 minutes let alone 80! He will rough any opposition up but the great thing about him is how his attacking play has developed. He's playing very intelligent rugby around the ruck and is a forwards dream at the minute.

So, i'm a grown man, 'kin hell even the job i'm in has me hated by many, i'm a big boy, if they don't like me im sure i'll live, it is after all just a forum and no one is liked by everyone.

How old are you to think that would bother me?

I didn't say average, i said there are better players in that position

I pick Tomkins and Mossop, O'Loughlin even Hock who is hated by everyone bar Wigan because i can see under all the idiocy he's a bloody good rugby player but McIlorum? I didn't say he was average i said there was better and there are.

Henry Fa'afili was SL top try scorer in 2007, yet the common argument amongst most people including quite a few Wire supporters was it was the service rather than the man and you could have put anyone there and he would have scored, Charnley is not as good as Briscoe and i'll stick to that.

Any Aussie clubs looking to take Charnley to the NRL? Didn't think so
Yet Briscoe is on there radar at a less fashionable club?

Obviously test-class players can't possibly be playing for mediocre clubs. It's amazing how Jonathan Thurston can even get a game.

That's true, I mean look at Kevin Sinfield and Ryan Hall.

Well this thread descended into a little bit of silliness, but I think what most England fans would agree on is that some of the players currently in the Elite squad are past their best and that if England are going to improve in the future then younger players have to get their chance now.

If you look at the back row we have a genuine world class player in Ellis. He hasn't always performed brilliantly for England but he's proven that he's real quality.

The question is where is the obvious replacement in his mid 20's, approaching the peak of his career who is of similar ability that will step up and replace him when he retires?

The back row in the Knights squad includes Elliott Whitehead, Liam Farrell, Mark Flanagan, Chris Clarkson & Dale Ferguson, while Joe Westerman and Mike Lawrence could also make that squad.

I don't really see any potential world class players there which is worrying, but I do see players who could come in now and do a similar job to players like Wilkin & JJB who have been in and around the squad but rarely first choice.

The next players who to me really look like becoming world class back row forwards are John Bateman and Ben Currie, but it's a little too early to be sure.

Bridge and Ratchford both on the bench for Warrington but yet both in Englands 13. Horatio Yed i rest my case.

If you're listening to BBC Manchester right now, that may answer your point, Bridge btw is coming back from injury

Backrow is already the area we're weakest in, compared to Australia. On paper Ellis, Westwood, O'Loughlin, Hock looks a good combination, but then you look at Thaiday, Lewis, Gallen, Williams, Bird (Watmough, Myles, Stewart) and you realise not just their depth but that any of our boys would be lucky to get in their first-string team.

What does Roby provide if his pack isn't on top? McIlorum is a better all round player.

To be honest mate have turned it off. Am listening Radio Scouse. Would rather listen to Stains than the Dire.

I was listening to it intently. Some interesting comments about your tip for the England squad Chris Hill having a poor game. You haven't half jinxed him

Hudds lost 3rd in a row....does Brown the savior of Stains look as good now..........

Sounds like i missed a cracking second half. Saints game was a cracker though. Any excuses Horatio Yed?

No, not seen it to comment but as i said earlier in the season don't give a stuff about finishing top after last years anti climax, i just want to get to the final.

You have never done it before so there is a first for everything. Sounds like your handing us the hub cap. Dont worry losing every so often makes you stronger. Look at the run we are on since losing to Widnes.

Should be focusing more on younger players, and more about grit in defence and speed in attack rather than names.

Morley and Peacock are past it, JJB and Ablett seem to be penalty machines whenever their team is losing.

Half the elite squad arent in good form, and should be dropped in favour of those that are. Unfortunatly we will probably end up with the same names again that dont offer as much.

What do the like of Bailey and Wilkin offer that some younger players dont surpass?

This is Gary Schofield's view on what the England team should be. He is not someone I usually agree with but in this case he talks an awful lot of sense and I agree with most of what he says:

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I tend to agree, apart from Chris Hill.

Yes, that was precisely the reason I said I agree with most of what he says (as well as about Maguire)

Tomkins
Hall
Cudjoe
Atkins
Briscoe
Lomax
Brough
Morley
Roby
Peacock
Hock
Westwood
O'Loughlin

Bench

Burrow
JJB
Mossop
Crabtree

When Burgess and Graham are available I would like to see them starting in the Front Row ahead of Morley and Peacock. Morley and Peacock are well past there sell by date and need to retire imo. O'Loughlin should take over as skipper...

Sam Tomkins
Josh Charnley
Darrell Goulding
Ryan Atkins
Ryan Hall
Jonny Lomax
Danny Brough
Eorl Crabtree
Mike McIlorum
Lee Mossop
Gareth Hock
Ben Westwood
Sean O'Loughlin

James Roby
Elliott Whitehead or any other young second row who is in form.
Two from Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Scott Taylor, Larne Patrick, Chris Hill, Mike Cooper or anyone else I've missed; or possibly just one prop and two back row forwards.

Forget about some of the older guys, it's time to reward some players who are performing well. If they don't quite cut it then add a few more experienced heads for the second Exiles game or give some other young player a go, after all it's just a year filled with international trial games so we might as well use them to find as much depth as possible and find out which youngster can fit in at international level.

Surely you cant be serious. He has been poor this season, even the Huddersfield fans say so, and he hasnt the rugby brain needed to play centre. There are at least 4 centres who deserve a shout before him. He is a poor mans Atkins.

Westwood won't play.